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From: Ben Kaufman on 12 Jul 2010 07:15 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT), Joseki <jabriol2000(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 11, 7:01�am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 11, 3:47�am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 10, 9:17�pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> >> > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> > > > On Jul 10, 6:20�pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >> > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: >> > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" >> > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... >> > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians >> > > >> >> > in creation science. >> >> > > >> >> �You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence >> > > >> >> �for a >> > > >> >> magical "creation." �There is much evidence for >> > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over >> > > >> >> the years. �You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with >> > > >> >> anyone. �You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been >> > > >> >> spouting for years. >> >> > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. >> >> > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of >> > > >> the universe? >> >> > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >> > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only >> > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or >> > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not >> > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. >> > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation >> > > > per se. >> >> > > Then there was a point where there was no life? >> >> � Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is >> alive? >> > >You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. More dancing.
From: Joseki on 12 Jul 2010 07:20 On Jul 12, 4:59 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 6:54 pm, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > > > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > > > > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > > > > > >> >> for a > > > > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > > > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > > > > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > > > > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > > > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > > > > > >> the universe? > > > > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > > > > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > > > > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > > > > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > > > > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. > > > > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > > > > > > per se. > > > > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > > > alive? > > > You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. > > So far, it has "stay" down pat, but that's about it. > > Whether you accept Creation or Evolution, there was a point in time > where there was no life. Get over it. > > Mark L. Fergerson Prove it. I mean use the scientific method and prove it. If you can't, then Gazoo of the ultraverse started life and get over it.
From: Joseki on 12 Jul 2010 07:22 On Jul 12, 7:15 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000- doll...(a)pobox.com> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT), Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > >> > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > >> > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > >> > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > >> > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > >> > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > >> > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > >> > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of Christians > >> > > >> >> > in creation science. > > >> > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no evidence > >> > > >> >> for a > >> > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > >> > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you over > >> > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally with > >> > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > >> > > >> >> spouting for years. > > >> > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > >> > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent age of > >> > > >> the universe? > > >> > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and > >> > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but only > >> > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is sacred or > >> > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do not > >> > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from nothingness. > >> > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the transformation > >> > > > per se. > > >> > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > >> Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > >> alive? > > >You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. > > More dancing. Did you read he last post. he taught it a trick.
From: Androcles on 12 Jul 2010 07:31 "Joseki" <jabriol2000(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:5ba4f323-fe76-42a8-9234-e2e927f780d5(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... On Jul 12, 4:59 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 11, 6:54 pm, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:01 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 11, 3:47 am, Joseki <jabriol2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo <gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: > > > > > >> > In article <4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" > > > > > >> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> "Jason" <Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > > > > > >> >>news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com... > > > > > >> >> > Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of > > > > > >> >> > Christians > > > > > >> >> > in creation science. > > > > > > >> >> You've been told many times in the past that there is no > > > > > >> >> evidence > > > > > >> >> for a > > > > > >> >> magical "creation." There is much evidence for > > > > > >> >> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for > > > > > >> >> you over > > > > > >> >> the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally > > > > > >> >> with > > > > > >> >> anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been > > > > > >> >> spouting for years. > > > > > > >> > There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. > > > > > > >> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the > > > > > >> apparent age of > > > > > >> the universe? > > > > > > > Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy > > > > > > and > > > > > > Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed > > > > > > but only > > > > > > can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is > > > > > > sacred or > > > > > > eternal however when they said energy can not be created they do > > > > > > not > > > > > > mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from > > > > > > nothingness. > > > > > > Since it can transform there is a start and finish of the > > > > > > transformation > > > > > > per se. > > > > > > Then there was a point where there was no life? > > > > Do you mean to say that the feldspar paperweight on my desk is > > > alive? > > > You never know, maybe you can teach it some tricks. > > So far, it has "stay" down pat, but that's about it. > > Whether you accept Creation or Evolution, there was a point in time > where there was no life. Get over it. > > Mark L. Fergerson Prove it. I mean use the scientific method and prove it. If you can't, then Gazoo of the ultraverse started life and get over it. =========================================== Burden of proof is upon the claimant, but nobody can prove non-existence of something, that is not the scientific method. If I asked you to prove bright green flying elephants do not exist you'd find it to be impossible. The scientific method requires me to prove the existence of bright green flying elephants, not you to prove their non-existence. Since we have no proof either way the argument is moot.
From: Mark K Bilbo on 12 Jul 2010 14:11
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:30:56 -0400, Olrik wrote: > Le 2010-07-11 11:45, Mark K Bilbo a écrit : >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:47:32 -0700, Joseki wrote: >> >>> On Jul 10, 9:17 pm, Mark K Bilbo<gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:29:14 -0700, Joseki wrote: >>>>> On Jul 10, 6:20 pm, Mark K Bilbo<gm...(a)com.mkbilbo> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:02:36 -0700, Jason wrote: >>>>>>> In article<4c38b...(a)news.x-privat.org>, "Saint Heretica" >>>>>>> <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> "Jason"<Ja...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:Jason-0907102132490001(a)66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg- pacwest.com... >>>>>>>>> Your faith in Abiogenesis is as strong as the faith of >>>>>>>>> Christians in creation science. >>>> >>>>>>>> You've been told many times in the past that there is no >>>>>>>> evidence for a >>>>>>>> magical "creation." There is much evidence for >>>>>>>> abiogenesis/evolution. It's been posted here many times for you >>>>>>>> over the years. You refuse to read it and discuss it rationally >>>>>>>> with anyone. You're still spouting the same nonsense you've been >>>>>>>> spouting for years. >>>> >>>>>>> There is no proof that abiogenesis has ever taken place. >>>> >>>>>> So you believe life has existed forever? What about the apparent >>>>>> age of the universe? >>>> >>>>> Well, that is a good question. I guess life is as old as Energy and >>>>> Matter. : "Energy can neither be created nor can be destroyed but >>>>> only can be transformed." so some people started to think energy is >>>>> sacred or eternal however when they said energy can not be created >>>>> they do not mean it is eternal but they mean it is not created from >>>>> nothingness. Since it can transform there is a start and finish of >>>>> the transformation per se. >>>> >>>> Then there was a point where there was no life? >>>> >>>> >>> at the point where there was no energy or matter. So do you believe in >>> Magic? I don't. >> >> What's that supposed to mean? > > I'll translate : "I have no clue what I'm talking about." > > "Joseki" is "Jabriol", a JW creationist trying hard to deny it. Well, there is that... -- Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "If the Bible proves that God exists then comic books prove the existence of Superman." |