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From: Michael Moroney on 25 Feb 2010 13:54 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >Now you're adding in a virtual Z boson and a virtual photon and still >not accounting for the mass. The image represents the physical effects >of the electron and position transitioning to aether. You actually have it backwards. The mass of a B0 pair (or a Z) greatly exceed that of the e+e- pair. You should have asked "where did the mass come from?" But science already has the answer. Total energy (or mass-energy) is conserved, but rest mass by itself is not. It's just a form of mass-energy just like kinetic energy is. The forms can just interconvert, that's all. Just like if you have a glass full of ice. Put it somewhere warm and the ice will convert into water (melt), Put it somewhere cold and water will freeze into ice. The amount of solid isn't a conserved quantity, neither is the amount of liquid. The total amount of the chemical H2O however is, barring chemical reactions. No need to invent magic terms to explain where the solidness of the ice went. No need to invent magic terms (like "aether") to explain where rest mass went.
From: mpc755 on 25 Feb 2010 13:58 On Feb 25, 1:54 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >Now you're adding in a virtual Z boson and a virtual photon and still > >not accounting for the mass. The image represents the physical effects > >of the electron and position transitioning to aether. > > You actually have it backwards. The mass of a B0 pair (or a Z) greatly > exceed that of the e+e- pair. You should have asked "where did the mass > come from?" > > But science already has the answer. Total energy (or mass-energy) is > conserved, but rest mass by itself is not. It's just a form of mass-energy > just like kinetic energy is. The forms can just interconvert, that's all. > > Just like if you have a glass full of ice. Put it somewhere warm and the > ice will convert into water (melt), Put it somewhere cold and water will > freeze into ice. The amount of solid isn't a conserved quantity, neither > is the amount of liquid. The total amount of the chemical H2O however is, > barring chemical reactions. No need to invent magic terms to explain where > the solidness of the ice went. No need to invent magic terms (like > "aether") to explain where rest mass went. Very good analogy. The water in your analogy is the mather. The mather, in the form of matter, transitions to its base state, aether, releasing energy. Where the pressure is great enough in the universe the mather in its base state of aether is compressed into matter.
From: mpc755 on 25 Feb 2010 14:03 On Feb 25, 1:54 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >Now you're adding in a virtual Z boson and a virtual photon and still > >not accounting for the mass. The image represents the physical effects > >of the electron and position transitioning to aether. > > You actually have it backwards. The mass of a B0 pair (or a Z) greatly > exceed that of the e+e- pair. You should have asked "where did the mass > come from?" > > But science already has the answer. Total energy (or mass-energy) is > conserved, but rest mass by itself is not. It's just a form of mass-energy > just like kinetic energy is. The forms can just interconvert, that's all. > > Just like if you have a glass full of ice. Put it somewhere warm and the > ice will convert into water (melt), Put it somewhere cold and water will > freeze into ice. The amount of solid isn't a conserved quantity, neither > is the amount of liquid. The total amount of the chemical H2O however is, > barring chemical reactions. No need to invent magic terms to explain where > the solidness of the ice went. No need to invent magic terms (like > "aether") to explain where rest mass went. Very good analogy. The H2O in your analogy is the mather. The mather, in its compressed state of matter, transitions to its uncompressed state, aether, releasing energy. Where the pressure is great enough in the universe the mather in its uncompressed state of aether is compressed into matter.
From: BURT on 25 Feb 2010 14:11 On Feb 25, 8:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 25, 11:25 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 5:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 24, 6:41 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 2/24/10 11:15 AM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > > Mass of electron: 9.10938215(45)Ã10-31 kg > > > > > Mass of photon: 0 > > > > >   Photon momentum > > > >    p = hν/c = h/λ > > > > Photon momentum, yes. But what happened to the mass associated with > > > the electron? It isn't 'lost'. It doesn't vanish or disappear. The > > > mass still exists as aether. The photon has momentum because of the > > > expansion matter transitioning has on the surrounding aether and > > > matter. The transition of matter to aether creates directed/pointed > > > waves in the aether which when detected collapse into a quantum of > > > aether. The quanta of aether detected are the photons. > > > Light does not disappear when it is absorbed. The light still exists > > as pixies. Pixies are invisible, but the fact that light is conserved > > is the evidence that pixies exist. This is a better description of > > nature than the absurd nonsense that light is absorbed and ceases to > > exist, or is emitted and created from nothing. > > My preferred concept of light is as a wave which when detected > collapses into a quanta of aether. The quanta of aether still exists > after detection.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What about the immutable substance of things such as aether energy and geometry? Substance is a stance above the idea of concept. What is flow substance? Mitch Raemsch
From: Michael Moroney on 25 Feb 2010 14:25
mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Feb 25, 1:54 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >Now you're adding in a virtual Z boson and a virtual photon and still >> >not accounting for the mass. The image represents the physical effects >> >of the electron and position transitioning to aether. >> >> You actually have it backwards. The mass of a B0 pair (or a Z) greatly >> exceed that of the e+e- pair. You should have asked "where did the mass >> come from?" >> >> But science already has the answer. Total energy (or mass-energy) is >> conserved, but rest mass by itself is not. It's just a form of mass-energy >> just like kinetic energy is. The forms can just interconvert, that's all. >> >> Just like if you have a glass full of ice. Put it somewhere warm and the >> ice will convert into water (melt), Put it somewhere cold and water will >> freeze into ice. The amount of solid isn't a conserved quantity, neither >> is the amount of liquid. The total amount of the chemical H2O however is, >> barring chemical reactions. No need to invent magic terms to explain where >> the solidness of the ice went. No need to invent magic terms (like >> "aether") to explain where rest mass went. >Very good analogy. The water in your analogy is the mather. The >mather, in the form of matter, transitions to its base state, aether, >releasing energy. Where the pressure is great enough in the universe >the mather in its base state of aether is compressed into matter. Word salad, with a couple of surprises, an obsolete term and a made-up term. Kind of like a regular salad with, in addition to lettuce and cherry tomatoes, there's a tiny dead frog and a purple glowing mushroom in there. No need for the oddities. The glass content is the total system energy (not "mather" nor a glowing mushroom), the liquid water is energy in the form of kinetic or electromagnetic or other "familiar" forms of energy (not dead frogs nor dead aethers), ice is "familiar" rest mass. Just as the weight of the contents of the glass doesn't depend on whether the contents are solid or liquid, gravity couples to the total energy of the system, irrespective of whether the energy is in the form of KE or rest mass. |