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From: Michael Moroney on 25 Feb 2010 16:24 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Feb 25, 2:25 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >The liquid water is still matter. The liquid water still has mass. Ice >rest mass is not zero. The ice, even when at rest, has mass. Don't confuse the analogy. It's the existence as water of the contents of the glass that correspond to the existence as energy (or mass-energy) of things like e+e- pairs and photons, not its mass. The "solidness" of ice corresponds to the "solidness" of ordinary matter. My point is, "solidness" (of either ice or energy as "ordinary" matter) is NOT a property that is conserved, but the TOTAL amount (of water, or energy) IS. No need for stupid make-up words like "mather", we already have a term for this, it's "energy". And the obsolete "aether" concept is simply not needed, what you want to call "aether" is simply energy that doesn'r exist in the form of rest mass. Which is funny, the original "aether" was proposed as a medium for the transport of energy (light), not the energy itself.
From: mpc755 on 25 Feb 2010 16:28 On Feb 25, 4:24 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >On Feb 25, 2:25 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >wrote: > >The liquid water is still matter. The liquid water still has mass. Ice > >rest mass is not zero. The ice, even when at rest, has mass. > > Don't confuse the analogy. It's the existence as water of the contents > of the glass that correspond to the existence as energy (or mass-energy) > of things like e+e- pairs and photons, not its mass. The "solidness" of > ice corresponds to the "solidness" of ordinary matter. My point is, > "solidness" (of either ice or energy as "ordinary" matter) is NOT a > property that is conserved, but the TOTAL amount (of water, or energy) IS.. > Your analogy is more correct than you realize. The 'ice' is matter. The 'water' is aether. As the ice transitions to water the physical effect of this transition is energy. > No need for stupid make-up words like "mather", we already have a > term for this, it's "energy". And the obsolete "aether" concept is > simply not needed, what you want to call "aether" is simply energy > that doesn'r exist in the form of rest mass. Which is funny, the > original "aether" was proposed as a medium for the transport of energy > (light), not the energy itself. Light waves propagate through the aether. What we are discussing is E=mc^2. As the mather expands from matter to aether the increase in volume of the mather is energy. Some of this energy is given of as waves in the aether which when detected collapse and are detected as quanta of aether (photons).
From: mpc755 on 25 Feb 2010 18:19 On Feb 25, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 25, 4:24 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > wrote: > > > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >On Feb 25, 2:25 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > >wrote: > > >The liquid water is still matter. The liquid water still has mass. Ice > > >rest mass is not zero. The ice, even when at rest, has mass. > > > Don't confuse the analogy. It's the existence as water of the contents > > of the glass that correspond to the existence as energy (or mass-energy) > > of things like e+e- pairs and photons, not its mass. The "solidness" of > > ice corresponds to the "solidness" of ordinary matter. My point is, > > "solidness" (of either ice or energy as "ordinary" matter) is NOT a > > property that is conserved, but the TOTAL amount (of water, or energy) IS. > > Your analogy is more correct than you realize. The 'ice' is matter. > The 'water' is aether. As the ice transitions to water the physical > effect of this transition is energy. > > > No need for stupid make-up words like "mather", we already have a > > term for this, it's "energy". And the obsolete "aether" concept is > > simply not needed, what you want to call "aether" is simply energy > > that doesn'r exist in the form of rest mass. Which is funny, the > > original "aether" was proposed as a medium for the transport of energy > > (light), not the energy itself. > > Light waves propagate through the aether. What we are discussing is > E=mc^2. As the mather expands from matter to aether the increase in > volume of the mather is energy. Some of this energy is given of as > waves in the aether which when detected collapse and are detected as > quanta of aether (photons). Modification: Some of this energy is given of as waves in the aether which when detected collapse and are detected as quanta of mather (photons).
From: BURT on 25 Feb 2010 19:16 On Feb 25, 3:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 25, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 4:24 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > wrote: > > > > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > >On Feb 25, 2:25 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > >wrote: > > > >The liquid water is still matter. The liquid water still has mass. Ice > > > >rest mass is not zero. The ice, even when at rest, has mass. > > > > Don't confuse the analogy. It's the existence as water of the contents > > > of the glass that correspond to the existence as energy (or mass-energy) > > > of things like e+e- pairs and photons, not its mass. The "solidness" of > > > ice corresponds to the "solidness" of ordinary matter. My point is, > > > "solidness" (of either ice or energy as "ordinary" matter) is NOT a > > > property that is conserved, but the TOTAL amount (of water, or energy) IS. > > > Your analogy is more correct than you realize. The 'ice' is matter. > > The 'water' is aether. As the ice transitions to water the physical > > effect of this transition is energy. > > > > No need for stupid make-up words like "mather", we already have a > > > term for this, it's "energy". And the obsolete "aether" concept is > > > simply not needed, what you want to call "aether" is simply energy > > > that doesn'r exist in the form of rest mass. Which is funny, the > > > original "aether" was proposed as a medium for the transport of energy > > > (light), not the energy itself. > > > Light waves propagate through the aether. What we are discussing is > > E=mc^2. As the mather expands from matter to aether the increase in > > volume of the mather is energy. Some of this energy is given of as > > waves in the aether which when detected collapse and are detected as > > quanta of aether (photons). > > Modification: > > Some of this energy is given of as waves in the aether which when > detected collapse and are detected as quanta of mather (photons).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You claim to use e=mc squared mpc? Matter is infinitely dense energy. There are two states of energy. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 25 Feb 2010 19:25
On Feb 25, 7:16 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Feb 25, 3:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 25, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 25, 4:24 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > wrote: > > > > > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > > >On Feb 25, 2:25 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > > >wrote: > > > > >The liquid water is still matter. The liquid water still has mass. Ice > > > > >rest mass is not zero. The ice, even when at rest, has mass. > > > > > Don't confuse the analogy. It's the existence as water of the contents > > > > of the glass that correspond to the existence as energy (or mass-energy) > > > > of things like e+e- pairs and photons, not its mass. The "solidness" of > > > > ice corresponds to the "solidness" of ordinary matter. My point is, > > > > "solidness" (of either ice or energy as "ordinary" matter) is NOT a > > > > property that is conserved, but the TOTAL amount (of water, or energy) IS. > > > > Your analogy is more correct than you realize. The 'ice' is matter. > > > The 'water' is aether. As the ice transitions to water the physical > > > effect of this transition is energy. > > > > > No need for stupid make-up words like "mather", we already have a > > > > term for this, it's "energy". And the obsolete "aether" concept is > > > > simply not needed, what you want to call "aether" is simply energy > > > > that doesn'r exist in the form of rest mass. Which is funny, the > > > > original "aether" was proposed as a medium for the transport of energy > > > > (light), not the energy itself. > > > > Light waves propagate through the aether. What we are discussing is > > > E=mc^2. As the mather expands from matter to aether the increase in > > > volume of the mather is energy. Some of this energy is given of as > > > waves in the aether which when detected collapse and are detected as > > > quanta of aether (photons). > > > Modification: > > > Some of this energy is given of as waves in the aether which when > > detected collapse and are detected as quanta of mather (photons).- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You claim to use e=mc squared mpc? > > Matter is infinitely dense energy. There are two states of energy. > > Mitch Raemsch What occurs physically in nature when mather transitions from matter to aether is energy. |