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From: Excognito on 11 Aug 2010 18:10 On 11 Aug, 21:21, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 10, 8:19 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 12:56 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 10, 2:44 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Aug, 04:11, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 9, 5:32 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 9 Aug, 18:06, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question > > > > > > > > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > > > > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > > > > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > > > > > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > > > > > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > > > > > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > > > > > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > > > > > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > > > > > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > > > > > > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > > > > > > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > > > > > > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > > > > > > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > > > > > > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > > > > > > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > > > > > > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > > > > > > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > > > > > > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > > > > > > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > > > > > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > > > > > > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > > > > > > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > > > > > > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > > > > > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > > > > > > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > > > > > > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > > > > > > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > > > > > > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > > > > > > > > prove your point. > > > > > > > > > The law in its entirety, eh? > > > > > > > >> From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > > > > > > > > provide evidence that supports my position. > > > > > > > Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full > > > > > > > meaning of that law does not constitute evidence. > > > > > > > And what's that got to do with the price of eggs? > > > > > The fact that you are trying to use deceit to prove a point. > > > > > Oh dear. You still haven't got the idea of reasoned argument, > > > > Since you are using deceit, you have made no reasoned argument. > > No, you still haven't presented a reasoned argument. > You have not presented a reasoned case to argue against. Q: Has Jim made an assertion? A: Yes. Q: Has Jim provided evidence to support that assertion? A: No. Action: 1. Yawn, put brain cell back in box, and continue to play Freecell. 2. Monitor thread for responses. 3. -a. If response occurs, check ID of sender. -b. If ID <> Jimbo then break brain cell out of box and analyze response. -c. Else leave brain cell in box and get parrot to respond (note: this may be overkill; cranial vacuum may suffice). 4. Repeat until lose interest |