What is the meaning of life for the atheist
in [Math]
|
Prev: Intersection of Complex Submanifolds (Incl. Self-Int.) is positive
Next: EXAMPLES OF THE USE OF "HALF SQUARED " VALUES IN MATHEMATICS--HOPE RESEARCH
From: Jimbo on 5 Aug 2010 12:04 On Aug 4, 4:23 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3 Aug, 19:12, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:22 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:18 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:40 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 6:51 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 31 July, 23:18, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Excognito > > > > > > > > <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > > > >On 31 July, 19:17, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > > >> > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > > >> > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > > > >> And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > > > >> have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > > > > >An interesting point of view. > > > > > > > > > >What about when, say, a couple of months after young one arrives, I > > > > > > > > >realize the true impact of having a child on my 'freedom'? The state > > > > > > > > >now insists that I can't just drop it into the garbage can, even > > > > > > > > >though I've discovered I don't want it any more. Social norms (in my > > > > > > > > >neck of the woods, at least) impose their own pressures to keep it > > > > > > > > >instead of dumping it on somebody's doorstep. Is this slavery as well? > > > > > > > > > Actually we do have processes that allow you to give up a child. It is > > > > > > > > true that once you have kept it for a while you would face serious > > > > > > > > social pressures not to decide that it's too much trouble, but the > > > > > > > > processes are in place. > > > > > > > > But I'm not allowed to kill it, > > > > > > > Because it is now an independent person, not riding around in your > > > > > > body. > > > > > > Independent? Good. It doesn't need me or anybody else anymore. > > > > It doesn't need you specifically, > > > > but you said it's independent - are you changing your mind? > > > Did you not understand the context? Independent of your body. It > > doesn't need you specifically. Stop arguing like an obtuse schoolgirl. > > No, I didn't the context. Yes, you did.
From: Jimbo on 5 Aug 2010 12:04 On Aug 4, 4:24 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3 Aug, 19:11, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:11 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > > > Not even in the slightest. > > > > You're quite right. I should not have implied, nor considered, that > > > you would follow the argument or have a rationale that justifies your > > > assertions.- Hide quoted text - > > > They've already been justified. You're trying to conflate two > > unrelated issues. We do not live on Fantasy Island, so the chances of > > eliminating all unwanted/undesired pregnancies, or eliminating > > conditions where a pregnancy may have been wanted/desired initially, > > wasn't after conception. Abortion cannot simply be wished away. > > Where had they been justified before?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The SCOTUS and public opinion.
From: Jimbo on 5 Aug 2010 12:04 On Aug 4, 4:43 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 3 Aug, 19:11, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:11 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > > > Not even in the slightest. > > > > You're quite right. I should not have implied, nor considered, that > > > you would follow the argument or have a rationale that justifies your > > > assertions.- Hide quoted text - > > > They've already been justified. > > You're trying to conflate two unrelated issues. > > Possibly, but I don't believe so. > > > We do not live on Fantasy Island, so the chances of > > eliminating all unwanted/undesired pregnancies, or eliminating > > conditions where a pregnancy may have been wanted/desired initially, > > wasn't after conception. Abortion cannot simply be wished away. > > Do you have statistics on the percentage ratio of unintentional- > unwanted v intentional-unwanted? Not relevant to what I stated, or for the purposes of this discussion.
From: Jimbo on 5 Aug 2010 12:05 On Aug 5, 11:44 am, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > "Jimbo" <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a > > > > > > > woman to > > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > > Not even in the slightest. > > > Sigh. All this time and you didn't look in the Obvious Bag. > > > it is exactly the point. > > > If you aren't pregnant, you don't need to consider having an > > abortion, now do you? > > < > <But the fact remains that unwanted pregnancies do happen, they have > <always happened, and they will continue to happen, so how is that > <relevant to the discussion about the right to chose to abort? Such > <pregnancies can be reduced by proper education, birth control/condoms, > <etc......but they are never going away. > > The question is whether or not what you are killing (aka "aborting") > is a human being. 36 weeks don't cut it. Where's your line? > What would be your line for dominion over what goes on in your body, and by what right does the government have to control whether or not a woman has to give birth? I don't really see that power within the Constitution. What we are talking about is competing rights under the secular civil law. What you may or may not believe "cuts it" is not relevant. Our courts hae consistently found that a living person's rights must, by definition of human rights, supercede the pre-born, or post living. While I don't like the fact that abortion exists, I find that a government basically forcing a woman to gestate to be far less desireable.
From: Excognito on 5 Aug 2010 16:16
On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > You try aborting some 30 month There is currently a ban on late term abortions, at the federal level, EXCEPT where the long term health and/or life of the mother may be compromised. So, depending on the situation, a 30 month abortion could be obtained without court involvement. .... and just about every human development authority you could think of. 9 months is bad enough, but 30 of 'em? Wow! |