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From: Dr. HotSalt on 3 Aug 2010 06:47 On Aug 2, 2:19 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > What did you think the point was? > > > Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences > > of their choices? > > And that's all it comes down to, isn't it? Punishing 'sluts' for being > free to make their own choices. Wow. Does that kneejerk hurt when it goes off like that? The point is that everyone already *is* free to make their own choices from the options available to them. Always have been, always will be. Most people believe their range of choices is limited by familial, peer or societal pressures or whatever. Some believe they are free to make any choice they want, regardless of any consequences. (And there are always consequences. I mean, you *did* notice you're xposting to sci.physics, right?) What *I* think it comes down to is that society can not function if we are not held directly responsible for the consequences of our choices *as they affect others*. You can call that punishment if you like, but even in alt.religion.kibology, where the only real rule is *You're Allowed* it's possible to be shunned for some behaviors. That's only if you're not considered worthy of mockery, of course. Anyway. AFAICT SkyEyes' position is that a woman deciding to have an abortion does not "affect others". I may be wrong in that, but that's what I get. My position is that a fetus *is* an "other" who should not be subjected to the consequences of one's choices without recourse. What's yours? Dr. HotSalt
From: Dr. HotSalt on 3 Aug 2010 06:50 On Aug 2, 9:43 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > Not even in the slightest. Sigh. All this time and you didn't look in the Obvious Bag. it is exactly the point. If you aren't pregnant, you don't need to consider having an abortion, now do you? Dr. HotSalt
From: Geopelia on 3 Aug 2010 08:27 "Mark Edwards" <Mark-Edwards(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:QNGdnab9tr2AmsnRnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d(a)supernews.com... > Otto Bahn wrote: >>> We all have our own cross to bear! > > I believe in the right to cross bears. Americans have the right to arm bears. But don't arm a cross bear! > > > Mark Edwards > -- > Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request >
From: * US on 3 Aug 2010 08:31 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 03:47:34 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752(a)gmail.com> wrote: >... everyone already *is* free to make their own >choices from the options available to them... There is no evidence for your belief.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:05
On Aug 3, 6:50 am, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:43 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > Not even in the slightest. > > Sigh. All this time and you didn't look in the Obvious Bag. > > it is exactly the point. > > If you aren't pregnant, you don't need to consider having an > abortion, now do you? > But the fact remains that unwanted pregnancies do happen, they have always happened, and they will continue to happen, so how is that relevant to the discussion about the right to chose to abort? Such pregnancies can be reduced by proper education, birth control/condoms, etc......but they are never going away. |