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From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:08 On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > Not even remotely the point. > > I think you'll find it's closely related (taxi!). I may be wrong, > but I suspect the implication is that if one knows what leads to > pregnancy then it should be possible to interfere with the process of > becoming pregnant in the first place, And many people do, but many do not. So? > hence leading to abortion being > (in general) a moot point for the large class of people who currently > find it 'necessary' So, you're saying that if we somehow eliminate all undesired pregnancies, then abortion will go away. On what Fantasy Island episode to you envision this happening?
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:11 On Aug 2, 1:11 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > Not even in the slightest. > > You're quite right. I should not have implied, nor considered, that > you would follow the argument or have a rationale that justifies your > assertions.- Hide quoted text - They've already been justified. You're trying to conflate two unrelated issues. We do not live on Fantasy Island, so the chances of eliminating all unwanted/undesired pregnancies, or eliminating conditions where a pregnancy may have been wanted/desired initially, wasn't after conception. Abortion cannot simply be wished away.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:12 On Aug 2, 1:22 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:18 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 1:40 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 6:51 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 31 July, 23:18, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Excognito > > > > > > <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > >On 31 July, 19:17, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality.. > > > > > > > >> > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > >> > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > >> And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > >> have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > > >An interesting point of view. > > > > > > > >What about when, say, a couple of months after young one arrives, I > > > > > > >realize the true impact of having a child on my 'freedom'? The state > > > > > > >now insists that I can't just drop it into the garbage can, even > > > > > > >though I've discovered I don't want it any more. Social norms (in my > > > > > > >neck of the woods, at least) impose their own pressures to keep it > > > > > > >instead of dumping it on somebody's doorstep. Is this slavery as well? > > > > > > > Actually we do have processes that allow you to give up a child.. It is > > > > > > true that once you have kept it for a while you would face serious > > > > > > social pressures not to decide that it's too much trouble, but the > > > > > > processes are in place. > > > > > > But I'm not allowed to kill it, > > > > > Because it is now an independent person, not riding around in your > > > > body. > > > > Independent? Good. It doesn't need me or anybody else anymore. > > It doesn't need you specifically, > > but you said it's independent - are you changing your mind? Did you not understand the context? Independent of your body. It doesn't need you specifically. Stop arguing like an obtuse schoolgirl.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:13 On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > Not even remotely the point. > > What did you think the point was? > I know what the point is, unfortunately you do not.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:15
On Aug 3, 6:47 am, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 2:19 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > What did you think the point was? > > > > Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences > > > of their choices? > > > And that's all it comes down to, isn't it? Punishing 'sluts' for being > > free to make their own choices. > > Wow. Does that kneejerk hurt when it goes off like that? > That's pretty much what you said. |