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From: Alex W on 8 Aug 2010 04:48 On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:46:29 -0700 (PDT), bert wrote: > As a confirmed atheist "NOW" has the most meaning. GODs come and go.as > hocus pocus Heaven and Hell are just to crazy places. Why restrict yourself to the NOW? The past teaches us about our cultural history and how things got messed up the way they are today -- both on a personal and general level. The future is what we plan for, hope for, fear and expect with great curiosity regardless of our attitudes to god. > Some brain > washed religeous people(Muslins) think heavenly girls are virgins Hmmm > I have had 3 here on Earth(just bragging) This holds relatively litte attraction in the free'n'easy West, but in Muslim countries this can be a powerful persuader. Not only are Muslim girls notoriously reluctant to play hide the camel salami (if they do, either their parents or the authorities may well come and kill them), but most of them get married off to other men. If one man may marry up to four girls, this creates large numbers of young men with no prospect of ever getting married and making little Ahmeds and Faisals in their turn. > To live gives life much > meaning To be brain washed by EVIL religeus leaders is the down fall > of humankind. Reality is the pendulum is swinging back to the dark > ages. Maybe just a little kinder than burning at the stake. Just take > your Tang and go straight to heaven Better than the Kool-Aid....
From: Excognito on 8 Aug 2010 10:21 On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > The question > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > rights to the fetus. > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > not. > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > prove your point. The law in its entirety, eh? From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than provide evidence that supports my position. The burden is upon you to provide evidence that contradicts it. I guess we won't be hearing from you anytime soon - there's an awful lot of law out there to read. I won't be satisified with anything less on your part than a full review of applicable UK Law (and don't forget Scotland & NI have different rules), then whatever passes for law in the Colonies (Federal plus all the States), then Poland, Russia, France, Germany, Japan, China, Australia, New Zealand, Nigeria, Egypt, etc, etc, taking into account any EU law, or UN charters that the various nations may have signed up to or even ratified. Have Fun. I think, however, you will find that the situation is not at all clear cut, as I said in my message, and that the laws will vary.
From: Jimbo on 9 Aug 2010 13:06 On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > The question > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > not. > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > prove your point. > > The law in its entirety, eh? > > From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > provide evidence that supports my position. Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full meaning of that law does not constitute evidence.
From: Excognito on 9 Aug 2010 17:32 On 9 Aug, 18:06, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The question > > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > > not. > > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > > prove your point. > > > The law in its entirety, eh? > >> From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > > provide evidence that supports my position. > Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full > meaning of that law does not constitute evidence. And what's that got to do with the price of eggs? For the purposes of this argument, I claim that I have provided sufficient in context information to support my argument. The onus lies with you, under the terms of Shadow Proclamation Convention 15 and the Code of the Order of the Brethren (*), to provide a reasoned rebuttal. (*) Amendment 239 of the latter requires parties to abjure the Monty Python bare assertion fallacy in parley.
From: Jimbo on 9 Aug 2010 23:11
On Aug 9, 5:32 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 Aug, 18:06, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The question > > > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > > > not. > > > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > > > prove your point. > > > > The law in its entirety, eh? > > >> From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > > > provide evidence that supports my position. > > Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full > > meaning of that law does not constitute evidence. > > And what's that got to do with the price of eggs? > The fact that you are trying to use deceit to prove a point. |