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From: Comodo on 31 Aug 2006 15:30 John Fitzsimons wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:44 -0500, "Bear Bottoms" > <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: > > < snip > > > >I posted a link, but here it is again: > >http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/12/security_aadgdfdddh_ah/ > > >The question is: does comodo include bundled software that does something > >other than what a firewall does? It seems they do. Some may think it > >harmless. I don't want any bundles and who knows what it really does. > > Exactly. IF the "LaunchPad" is as "innocent" as suggested then Comodo > would respond to people's complaints and remove it. Their not wanting > to suggests that there may be something going on that isn't being > disclosed. > > Regards, John. John I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do with Launchpad here http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! Your negative insinuations, without any factual basis, about our product is not appreciated. If you got proof about something make it public! Otherwise pls be reasonable and don't spread FUD! Melih
From: Allan Higdon on 31 Aug 2006 15:58 On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:12:45 -0500, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:08:18 -0500, Allan Higdon <alhigdon(a)mailinator.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:18:45 -0500, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)cox.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Ashampoo...it's the best right now. http://bearbottoms1.com >>> >> >> I tried it out myself. >> When I used the ShieldsUp site (Common Ports), the ports were mostly >> Closed, with a few actually Open. >> No Stealth at all. >> A post from "Justme" on 8/24 mentioned the same result. >> >> >> > > I just ran the shields up and leak test again and am completely stealth. > Leak test 1.x failed. > I'm not sure what you are talking about and now am suspect. > Here's what I'm talking about. The following is the results from selecting the "Text Summary" button after the Common Ports test: GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2006-08-31 at 19:43:05 Results from scan of ports: 0, 21-23, 25, 79, 80, 110, 113, 119, 135, 139, 143, 389, 443, 445, 1002, 1024-1030, 1720, 5000 2 Ports Open 24 Ports Closed 0 Ports Stealth --------------------- 26 Ports Tested NO PORTS were found to be STEALTH. Ports found to be OPEN were: 135, 445 Other than what is listed above, all ports are CLOSED. TruStealth: FAILED - NOT all tested ports were STEALTH, - NO unsolicited packets were received, - A PING REPLY (ICMP Echo) WAS RECEIVED. I would like Ashampoo to work correctly, as I do like the GUI. -- "Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." ~ Flannery O'Connor "The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both national parties." ~ Patrick J. Buchanan
From: Al Smith on 31 Aug 2006 16:31 >>Exactly. IF the "LaunchPad" is as "innocent" as suggested then Comodo >>> would respond to people's complaints and remove it. Their not wanting >>> to suggests that there may be something going on that isn't being >>> disclosed. >>> >>> Regards, John. > > > John > > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have made > it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do with > Launchpad here http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html > > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! > > Your negative insinuations, without any factual basis, about our > product is not appreciated. If you got proof about something make it > public! Otherwise pls be reasonable and don't spread FUD! > > Melih > Reasonable enough. I'll looking forward to the elimination of Launch Pad at the earliest possible time. It is dead weight on my computer. I can't get rid of it without losing the icon in the tray that lets me know Comodo is running ... and while I'm on the subject, how about making that icon a little more informative, so that it shows incoming and outgoing traffic?
From: In_Parentheses on 31 Aug 2006 16:40 "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in news:1157052659.815132.308290(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > John Fitzsimons wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:44 -0500, "Bear Bottoms" >> <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: >> >> < snip > >> >> >I posted a link, but here it is again: >> >http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/12/security_aadgdfdddh_ah/ >> >> >The question is: does comodo include bundled software that does >> >something other than what a firewall does? It seems they do. Some >> >may think it harmless. I don't want any bundles and who knows what >> >it really does. >> >> Exactly. IF the "LaunchPad" is as "innocent" as suggested then Comodo >> would respond to people's complaints and remove it. Their not wanting >> to suggests that there may be something going on that isn't being >> disclosed. >> >> Regards, John. > > John > > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have > made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do with > Launchpad here http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html > > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! > > Your negative insinuations, without any factual basis, about our > product is not appreciated. If you got proof about something make it > public! Otherwise pls be reasonable and don't spread FUD! > > Melih > > Melih, Following the accusations back-and-forth now for quite some time here, I wonder whether you haven't come up with the idea to make the complete source of that Launchpad available for the programmers here to look at? The mere fact that you (Comodo) insist of bundling the Launchpad with any of your products, without offering the possibility of letting the enduser decide whether or not this by-product should be installed is, to say the least, suspicious. And please don't tell us that the Launchpad "is fully integrated" into the functionality of your products, that type of BS has been tried before in the past by a company much bigger than yours... and they lost! I think you have to understand the sentiments of the subscribers to acf in matters of "bundled software", *and* you have to be willing to acknowledge these sentiments... at least, if you are interested in distributing your programs as freeware and get (much like Grisoft) free advertizing for your company! Also the fact thst you don't disclose the extra program needed (the Launchpad) on the web site isn't in your advantage, it reminds a lot of people of bundled spyware. Melih, being open about the program, sharing the source, would be in your advantage; the way you act now isn't. As admin of two domains you should be able to understand that! The way you act now, and did in the past, makes that there is, and will remain, a shadow of suspicion on your programs, how well written and good they may be. -- Jay (IP)
From: Goeroeboeroe on 31 Aug 2006 17:47
In article <Xns9830A9A2FF9A6QED(a)85.31.186.76>, quoder(a)demonstrand.um says... > "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in > news:1157052659.815132.308290(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > > > John Fitzsimons wrote: > >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:44 -0500, "Bear Bottoms" > >> <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote: > >> > >> < snip > > >> > >> >I posted a link, but here it is again: > >> >http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/12/security_aadgdfdddh_ah/ > >> > >> >The question is: does comodo include bundled software that does > >> >something other than what a firewall does? It seems they do. Some > >> >may think it harmless. I don't want any bundles and who knows what > >> >it really does. > >> > >> Exactly. IF the "LaunchPad" is as "innocent" as suggested then Comodo > >> would respond to people's complaints and remove it. Their not wanting > >> to suggests that there may be something going on that isn't being > >> disclosed. > >> > >> Regards, John. > > > > John > > > > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have > > made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do with > > Launchpad here http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html > > > > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! > > > > Your negative insinuations, without any factual basis, about our > > product is not appreciated. If you got proof about something make it > > public! Otherwise pls be reasonable and don't spread FUD! > > > > Melih > > > > > > Melih, > > Following the accusations back-and-forth now for quite some time here, I > wonder whether you haven't come up with the idea to make the complete > source of that Launchpad available for the programmers here to look at? > > The mere fact that you (Comodo) insist of bundling the Launchpad with any > of your products, without offering the possibility of letting the enduser > decide whether or not this by-product should be installed is, to say the > least, suspicious. And please don't tell us that the Launchpad "is fully > integrated" into the functionality of your products, that type of BS has > been tried before in the past by a company much bigger than yours... and > they lost! > > I think you have to understand the sentiments of the subscribers to acf in > matters of "bundled software", *and* you have to be willing to acknowledge > these sentiments... at least, if you are interested in distributing your > programs as freeware and get (much like Grisoft) free advertizing for your > company! Also the fact thst you don't disclose the extra program needed > (the Launchpad) on the web site isn't in your advantage, it reminds a lot > of people of bundled spyware. Melih, being open about the program, sharing > the source, would be in your advantage; the way you act now isn't. As admin > of two domains you should be able to understand that! > > The way you act now, and did in the past, makes that there is, and will > remain, a shadow of suspicion on your programs, how well written and good > they may be. > > If you had followed the discussions in the forum of Comodo for just a very, very, very, very little bit, you should know that in the nex release Launchpad is not running anymore, but the choice is to the user. This next release is planned for today, so maybe it's already out. I have twenty years of experience with security, and I wish eveery company would listen to its users the way Comodo does. I don't mind if you have critics on Comodo, but what you say is outdated. By the way: I don't get paid by Comodo, I just think their firewall is state-of-the-art. Just as I think their Antivirus is not yet ready for everyday use. Peter |