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From: Goeroeboeroe on 1 Sep 2006 06:35 In article <44F7FFAA.9050200(a)mailinator.com>, psprivate(a)mailinator.com says... > In_Parentheses - 01.09.2006 02:01 : > > In_Parentheses & bearbottoms & Goeroeboeroe & comodo &... > > is it really a good idea always huge fullquoting again and again and > again? Please think about your usenet behavior. > > THX in advance for your kind understanding. > > You're right. Just before reading this it was exactly what I did :o)
From: Bear Bottoms on 1 Sep 2006 06:36 On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:33:09 -0500, Comodo <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote: > > Bear Bottoms wrote: >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:37 -0500, Comodo <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > ?Q? wrote: >> >> "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in >> >> <news:1157052659.815132.308290(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have >> >> > made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do >> >> > with Launchpad here >> >> > http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html >> >> > >> >> > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! >> >> >> >> AFAICT, every time you have been asked about what Launchpad does and >> >> why it is bundled without the option not to install it, you have not >> >> answered but only invited people to your forum to discuss it. I >> don't >> >> have any idea whether Launchpad is good, bad, or ugly, but I'm pretty >> >> sure that if you won't answer questions about it here, people here >> will >> >> continue to be suspicious of it. If all you want is to make your >> forum >> >> users happy, posting answers only there is fine. If you want to >> >> satisfy people in a.c.f as well, the only way to do it is to post >> >> answers here also. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ?Q? >> > Q >> > >> > you will see that your statement above is not true >> > >> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/8a40c609cc084cf/eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1?lnk=st&q=comodo+firewall+launchpad&rnum=3&hl=en#eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1 >> > pls check the others ngs where i have explained the reasons many times >> > before. the above is one example. >> > >> > The reason why I refer people to forums is because, all the arguments >> > have already been made and all the explanations have already been made >> > and decision about launchpad's future already has been reached by its >> > users. Its all there, publicly available. No point in re-writing all >> > that hence why I refer to the link. If you think we haven't covered >> any >> > point about launchpad, we would love to hear from you! As you will see >> > our users are sophisticated and tech savvy users who know what they >> > want and what they need! And they have been great at helping Comodo >> > shape its firewall! >> > >> > Melih >> > >> Comodo made a mistake bundling Launch Pad (and who knows what else) into >> their software...and especially not being up front about it. The cat >> was >> let out of the bag. Now your saying they are going to eliminate it. >> Own >> up to this! >> >> >> -- >> I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com > > BTW: Do you even know what Launchpad does? > You are very vocal about a product that you have not used/tested and > don't know exactly what it does! :-) > And why are you, without even knowing what our product is about, making > insinuations , what are you trying to gain? > > You claim to do research, so go ahead and do your research on CPF and > tell us what bad things CPF does! Let the facts speak, not the FUD you > are so willing to spread.. This is an open challange to you ;-) > > I am sure everyone would be interested in facts!!! Or.... isn't > revelaing the fact about CPF not so interesting for you? ;-) > > Melih > I'm not playing games with you as you are with us. You evade every question. Does Comodo bundle software with it's firewall? And not come out up front with the fact? -- I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com
From: Bear Bottoms on 1 Sep 2006 06:41 On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:21:09 -0500, Comodo <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote: > > Bear Bottoms wrote: >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:37 -0500, Comodo <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > ?Q? wrote: >> >> "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in >> >> <news:1157052659.815132.308290(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have >> >> > made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do >> >> > with Launchpad here >> >> > http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html >> >> > >> >> > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! >> >> >> >> AFAICT, every time you have been asked about what Launchpad does and >> >> why it is bundled without the option not to install it, you have not >> >> answered but only invited people to your forum to discuss it. I >> don't >> >> have any idea whether Launchpad is good, bad, or ugly, but I'm pretty >> >> sure that if you won't answer questions about it here, people here >> will >> >> continue to be suspicious of it. If all you want is to make your >> forum >> >> users happy, posting answers only there is fine. If you want to >> >> satisfy people in a.c.f as well, the only way to do it is to post >> >> answers here also. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ?Q? >> > Q >> > >> > you will see that your statement above is not true >> > >> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/8a40c609cc084cf/eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1?lnk=st&q=comodo+firewall+launchpad&rnum=3&hl=en#eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1 >> > pls check the others ngs where i have explained the reasons many times >> > before. the above is one example. >> > >> > The reason why I refer people to forums is because, all the arguments >> > have already been made and all the explanations have already been made >> > and decision about launchpad's future already has been reached by its >> > users. Its all there, publicly available. No point in re-writing all >> > that hence why I refer to the link. If you think we haven't covered >> any >> > point about launchpad, we would love to hear from you! As you will see >> > our users are sophisticated and tech savvy users who know what they >> > want and what they need! And they have been great at helping Comodo >> > shape its firewall! >> > >> > Melih >> > >> Comodo made a mistake bundling Launch Pad (and who knows what else) into >> their software...and especially not being up front about it. The cat >> was >> let out of the bag. Now your saying they are going to eliminate it. >> Own >> up to this! >> >> >> -- >> I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com > > The issue is not about what features user like or dislike and the ones > they don't like is a mistake etc. > > Its about calling launchpad suspicious and bad! > So far, not a single person who can prove that it does bad things, cos > it does not! > there are people, with no authority, no testing, who never used or > tested CPF, no real facts to base their statement on is making throw > away comments and spreading FUD! > > That's plain wrong and unfair! Especially for a company who is trying > to do their best in helping secure everyone for free! > > You are funny suggesting that we "own up" to it, what do you think we > are doing by letting our users choose! :-) > > Melih > I'm done with you and most likely Comodo products. You are doing more harm than good with your evasiveness and cute argument. I was willing to give it a chance after they cleaned it up. Secret bundling is suspicious and who knows what it really does. I don't want any of it. I want to know up front what I am getting. You may be owning up to it now after the fact (cat out of the bag). You sure didn't before the fact. Your evasiveness and refusal to directly, honestly and concisely answer questions about what you are defending is disgusting. -- I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com
From: Goeroeboeroe on 1 Sep 2006 06:59 In article <Xns98313992E5B90QED(a)85.31.186.76>, quoder(a)demonstrand.um says... > "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in > news:1157080868.870520.121040(a)h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > > > > > Bear Bottoms wrote: > >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:37 -0500, Comodo <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > »Q« wrote: > >> >> "Comodo" <melih(a)COMODOGROUP.COM> wrote in > >> >> <news:1157052659.815132.308290(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>: > >> >> > >> >> > I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I > >> >> > have made it clear that we asked our users about what they want > >> >> > to do with Launchpad here > >> >> > http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html > >> >> > > >> >> > and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that! > >> >> > >> >> AFAICT, every time you have been asked about what Launchpad does > >> >> and why it is bundled without the option not to install it, you > >> >> have not answered but only invited people to your forum to discuss > >> >> it. I don't have any idea whether Launchpad is good, bad, or > >> >> ugly, but I'm pretty sure that if you won't answer questions about > >> >> it here, people here will continue to be suspicious of it. If all > >> >> you want is to make your forum users happy, posting answers only > >> >> there is fine. If you want to satisfy people in a.c.f as well, > >> >> the only way to do it is to post answers here also. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> »Q« > >> > Q > >> > > >> > you will see that your statement above is not true > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/threa > >> > d/8 > > a40c609cc084cf/eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1?lnk=st&q=comodo+firewall+launchpad&rnum > > =3&hl=en#eb27ceb3bd5b0bd1 > >> > pls check the others ngs where i have explained the reasons many > >> > times before. the above is one example. > >> > > >> > The reason why I refer people to forums is because, all the > >> > arguments have already been made and all the explanations have > >> > already been made and decision about launchpad's future already has > >> > been reached by its users. Its all there, publicly available. No > >> > point in re-writing all that hence why I refer to the link. If you > >> > think we haven't covered any point about launchpad, we would love > >> > to hear from you! As you will see our users are sophisticated and > >> > tech savvy users who know what they want and what they need! And > >> > they have been great at helping Comodo shape its firewall! > >> > > >> > Melih > >> > > >> Comodo made a mistake bundling Launch Pad (and who knows what else) > >> into their software...and especially not being up front about it. > >> The cat was let out of the bag. Now your saying they are going to > >> eliminate it. Own up to this! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com > > > > The issue is not about what features user like or dislike and the ones > > they don't like is a mistake etc. > > > > Its about calling launchpad suspicious and bad! > > So far, not a single person who can prove that it does bad things, cos > > it does not! > > there are people, with no authority, no testing, who never used or > > tested CPF, no real facts to base their statement on is making throw > > away comments and spreading FUD! > > > > That's plain wrong and unfair! Especially for a company who is trying > > to do their best in helping secure everyone for free! > > > > You are funny suggesting that we "own up" to it, what do you think we > > are doing by letting our users choose! :-) > > > > Melih > > > > > > Wrong, Melih: > > The first issue *is* that you don't disclose the existence of the > Launchpad, neither on COMMODOGROUPS.COM, or on TRUSTIX.ORG, the two > domains registered on your name! > > The second issue is that you don't acknowledge the sentiments people have > here with bundled software. If there is FUD being spread, then you cause > it, this way. > > The third issue is you that the only thing you do is point at your forum; > well *THIS* is our "forum"; the matters that are being discussed here > should be answered here, *not* somewhere else. It would only be a matter > of cutting and pasting the text from your forum into your newsreader in > reply mode, and you would be done... now is that so hard? Eh, the discussion on the forum where Melih links to is four pages, about twenty screens of text. That's a bit too much for posting here, I think. Peter > > Oh, and it is equally "funny" to see how you ignored my direct reply to > you... felt uneasy about it? > > Have a good day! >
From: Sauron on 1 Sep 2006 07:07
Bear Bottoms schreef: > On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:46:09 -0500, Sauron <Sauron(a)dontfeed.me> wrote: > >> In_Parentheses schreef: >>> Sauron <Sauron(a)dontfeed.me> wrote in news:Xs2dnd2gTr-- >>> 62rZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d(a)scarlet.biz: >>> >>>> Bear Bottoms schreef: >>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:04:28 -0500, Sauron <Sauron(a)dontfeed.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Bear Bottoms schreef: >>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:19:52 -0500, Sauron <Sauron(a)dontfeed.me> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> and that test would be where? >>>>>>> --I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com >>>>>> Sorry forgot to mention : shields up common port test,also have to >>>>>> mention that mcafee, kaspersky, jettico and so on have the same >>>>>> result there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I ran those tests and got complete stealth...I think you may have >>>>> other >>>>> secrutity issues that may not have anything to do with a firewall? >>>>> >>>>> --I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com >>>> Nope no other security issues, system is clean. >>>> >>> May the Valar protect us, Sauron is here ;-) >>> S. you write that the system is clean, what tests did you do to get >>> to this knowledge? Did you: >>> * do an AV-scan? >>> * do a Trojan-scan (A-squared)? >>> * do a Root-kit detection scan (Sophos and/or SysInternal's)? >>> * do a spyware check with AdAware/Spybot? >>> Also, does Ashampoo report why these ports are open (iow: Which >>> programs keep them open)? >>> >> Well after i reinstalled the firewall that we use at work, i passed >> the test complete stealth, and yes the scans you mentioned were >> done(not with all of the programs you mentioned but similar ones), >> besides some cookies nothing was found. >> >> > > I don't get it then. Why would I pass and you fail? > > --I research freeware http://bearbottoms1.com Like i said strange but since it had the same results with other firewalls i have to get into the logs to see what the firewall i now have blocks that the other ones didn't. Every firewall was configured to not to reply on that kind of ping (execpt Ashampoo that i have to admit,i just installed it to see what it was like and did the test)so I wonder also what caused the failure on that part of the test. -- A lawyer is a person who writes a 10,000 words documents and calls it a "brief". |