giffgaff = con-con
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From: Bob Eager on 17 Mar 2010 20:49 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:07:32 +0000, Martin Jay wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:18:11 +0000, Martin Jay <martin(a)spam-free.org.uk> > wrote: > >>Well, well, well. Despite all it's community based fully charm, >>giffgaff is just another con. >> >>A few days ago I noticed my giffgaff balance had unexpectedly dropped by >>GBP5, so I sent an email requesting a refund. > > One of con-con giff-gaff's sycophants, presumably 'andy,' has accused me > of lying. If anyone has any idea what he's talking about please let me > know. I can't see any accusation of lying. An accusation of ignorance would be fairly accurate, though. And arrogance, too. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
From: Martin Jay on 17 Mar 2010 20:43 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:07:32 +0000, Martin Jay <martin(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: >One of con-con giff-gaff's sycophants, presumably 'andy,' has accused >me of lying. If anyone has any idea what he's talking about please >let me know. > >Perhaps he's confusing my own comments with the lies I've quoted from >con-con giffgaff. Got to the bottom of this. Apparently 'andy' thinks the middle sentence in the two quotes below are the same. I'm a liar because I think they look different and because I sought clarification over which middle sentence he was referring to. ----- Begin Quote ----- I really think the time for making up rhetorically argument is over The information or service provider hosted on 2ergo believes you subscribed, rightly or wrongly A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible with your case to the provider for a refund. That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be willing to do so. So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. ----- End Quote ----- And ----- Begin Quote ----- A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible with your case to the provider for a refund. That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be willing to do so. So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. ----- End Quote ----- -- Martin Jay Back the Ban: <http://www.backtheban.com/> League Against Cruel Sports: <http://www.league.org.uk/>
From: andy on 17 Mar 2010 21:24 On 18 Mar, 00:43, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:07:32 +0000, Martin Jay > > <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > >One of con-con giff-gaff's sycophants, presumably 'andy,' has accused > >me of lying. If anyone has any idea what he's talking about please > >let me know. > > >Perhaps he's confusing my own comments with the lies I've quoted from > >con-con giffgaff. > > Got to the bottom of this. Apparently 'andy' thinks the middle > sentence in the two quotes below are the same. I'm a liar because I > think they look different and because I sought clarification over > which middle sentence he was referring to. > > ----- Begin Quote ----- > > I really think the time for making up rhetorically argument is over > > The information or service provider hosted on 2ergo believes you > subscribed, rightly or wrongly > > A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible > with your case to the provider for a refund. > > That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that > giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be > willing to do so. > > So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. > > ----- End Quote ----- > > And > > ----- Begin Quote ----- > > A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible > with your case to the provider for a refund. > > That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that > giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be > willing to do so. > > So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. > > ----- End Quote ----- more bullshit you shortened the quote, and my very next post asked if you'd read the middle sentence in it then I quoted that quote, said there were three sentences, and which was the middle of those three I really can't figure out why you find it such a thrill to spend hours on this, abusing and rebutting every single offer of help, then whining that there was nobody willing to help it was suggested to you that contacting the number provider would help glea info on the identity of the service subscribed to, but you wouldn't have that either you are still persisiting with complaining that giffgaff has done nothing to help, whioch is untrue as they have identified the service and offered to help you claim your money back even then, you were still ranting on very recently about having to wait for 3 months to hear from Phonepayplus, when you're evidently too arrogant or too lazy to simply phone up PlanetCalling and ask them for a refund and through all of this, let's not forget that there is a reasonable chance you actually received a message, and then there's just a chance that it would have thanked you for subscribing, and named itself if so, all your demands that giffgaff sort this out would be somewhat perverse if you sat back and let them make the effort to discover something you may well have known all along
From: CJB on 17 Mar 2010 21:54 On Mar 18, 1:24 am, andy <andy.gg...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On 18 Mar, 00:43, Martin Jay <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:07:32 +0000, Martin Jay > > > <mar...(a)spam-free.org.uk> wrote: > > >One of con-con giff-gaff's sycophants, presumably 'andy,' has accused > > >me of lying. If anyone has any idea what he's talking about please > > >let me know. > > > >Perhaps he's confusing my own comments with the lies I've quoted from > > >con-con giffgaff. > > > Got to the bottom of this. Apparently 'andy' thinks the middle > > sentence in the two quotes below are the same. I'm a liar because I > > think they look different and because I sought clarification over > > which middle sentence he was referring to. > > > ----- Begin Quote ----- > > > I really think the time for making up rhetorically argument is over > > > The information or service provider hosted on 2ergo believes you > > subscribed, rightly or wrongly > > > A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible > > with your case to the provider for a refund. > > > That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that > > giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be > > willing to do so. > > > So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. > > > ----- End Quote ----- > > > And > > > ----- Begin Quote ----- > > > A staff member has publicly offered to help you as much as possible > > with your case to the provider for a refund. > > > That would tend to imply that if you didn't subscribe, and that > > giffgaff can help you show that you didn't subscribe, they would be > > willing to do so. > > > So basically, you are simultaneously demanding help and rebutting it. > > > ----- End Quote ----- > > more bullshit > > you shortened the quote, and my very next post asked if you'd read the > middle sentence in it > > then I quoted that quote, said there were three sentences, and which > was the middle of those three > > I really can't figure out why you find it such a thrill to spend hours > on this, abusing and rebutting every single offer of help, then > whining that there was nobody willing to help > > it was suggested to you that contacting the number provider would help > glea info on the identity of the service subscribed to, but you > wouldn't have that either > > you are still persisiting with complaining that giffgaff has done > nothing to help, whioch is untrue as they have identified the service > and offered to help you claim your money back > > even then, you were still ranting on very recently about having to > wait for 3 months to hear from Phonepayplus, when you're evidently too > arrogant or too lazy to simply phone up PlanetCalling and ask them for > a refund > > and through all of this, let's not forget that there is a reasonable > chance you actually received a message, and then there's just a chance > that it would have thanked you for subscribing, and named itself > > if so, all your demands that giffgaff sort this out would be somewhat > perverse if you sat back and let them make the effort to discover > something you may well have known all along- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Actually there is another recent thread in u.t.m. reporting a similar incident from a crowd called bobmobile.co.uk - see "bobmobile, scamming thieving crooks" In their very long winded Ts&Cs they state that: ==== "Access without Registration" Access without Registration. COMPANY may provide you with access to some Services without you registering as a user. In that case your identification is based on other means of identification that COMPANY deems appropriate. Identification is typically based on data identifying your Subscription, such as your mobile phone number. You agree that such information may be collected and disclosed to COMPANY and used in accordance with Section 3. ==== And that is what they did - having obtained the OP's mobile no. they sent him 5 texts at £2.50 each - unsolicited. So these scams do exist and you don't have to register for them, or fill out a form on a web site. These b'stards will pick a number out of the air and use it - or more likely generate thousands of numbers and send them all expensive texts. CJB.
From: Martin Jay on 17 Mar 2010 22:48
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT), CJB <chrisjbrady(a)gmail.com> wrote: >And that is what they did - having obtained the OP's mobile no. they >sent him 5 texts at �2.50 each - unsolicited. > >So these scams do exist and you don't have to register for them, or >fill out a form on a web site. These b'stards will pick a number out >of the air and use it - or more likely generate thousands of numbers >and send them all expensive texts. I think we all know it goes on. In my case it seems to be generally accepted the charge was wrong. I'm told the company that actually billed me isn't responsible. They accept I shouldn't have been charged, but it's not their fault. Apparently. I'm expected to go elsewhere for a refund: make phone calls, write letters and fill out web forms... And, despite dong all this, there is no guarantee that I will receive that refund. Okay, so I'm only down GBP5.10. It's no the end of the world. Really. :) -- Martin Jay Back the Ban: <http://www.backtheban.com/> League Against Cruel Sports: <http://www.league.org.uk/> |