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From: Woody on 28 Apr 2010 05:31 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > > > > and entered all the details directly > > >into the calendar with ease and speed. > > > > What if said information had required a sketch (like directions) or > > other non textual info (something you easily deal with on a 50p > > notepad for example)? > > There's an app for that. Or you could use a newton -- Woody
From: T i m on 28 Apr 2010 06:39 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:31:36 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >Or you could use a newton Or a pen and paper. ;-) The thing is there are a load of things that go against much of the current technology (inc the iPad etc) like cost and need to be charged to be ready for use etc. Of course they can do a lot more but that's only a plus if they do the basic things (that_you_need) well. I sparked up the Palm T|X yesterday. It connected to my WiFi network quickly, streamed music, opened Google maps and displayed a searched town, did a bit of browsing and synched with my PC over WiFi. Ok, it's not 'nice' to use for most of those things (certainly compared with the iPhone / touch / pad) but for me it's not the experience that's the issue but the need (or lack of). I actually bought the T|X as a means of testing WiFi connectivity but it was soon usurped by the eeePC (as that could also run the WiFi spectrum analyzer). I was wondering if I was being 'flat world' with this sort of technology but comparing my acceptance of GPSs (and digital cameras, both from when they both became available) but they are things I actually had a need for then and have used regularly since. One thing I could probably use [1] is a very compact mobile Internet device of some sort, *like* the 'Ubisurfer' [2], as I don't want to have to pay loads for it and don't want a contract or expiring PAYG cost to be able to own it (the nearest I have to that atm is the eeePC and Vodafone BB dongle). Cheers, T i m [1] Twice recently I had need to access the Internet whilst out and about. Once I happened to have the laptop and MBB dongle with me but it was flat but blagged the use of a power socket in PCW <g>. The second was needing to look up something from Screwfix that I couldn't find in-store and had to phone home and get daughter to do for me. [1] Don't think it supports flash though but did at least come as a Ubuntu version.
From: Woody on 28 Apr 2010 07:07 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:31:36 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > >Or you could use a newton > > Or a pen and paper. ;-) That works too. The newton was pretty good at actually making appointments though. In fact, it may be 13 years since it was cancelled but I have still to see anything better. > The thing is there are a load of things that go against much of the > current technology (inc the iPad etc) like cost and need to be charged > to be ready for use etc. Of course they can do a lot more but that's > only a plus if they do the basic things (that_you_need) well. Agreed. > I sparked up the Palm T|X yesterday. It connected to my WiFi network > quickly, streamed music, opened Google maps and displayed a searched > town, did a bit of browsing and synched with my PC over WiFi. Ok, it's > not 'nice' to use for most of those things (certainly compared with > the iPhone / touch / pad) but for me it's not the experience that's > the issue but the need (or lack of). I actually bought the T|X as a > means of testing WiFi connectivity but it was soon usurped by the > eeePC (as that could also run the WiFi spectrum analyzer). > > I was wondering if I was being 'flat world' with this sort of > technology but comparing my acceptance of GPSs (and digital cameras, > both from when they both became available) but they are things I > actually had a need for then and have used regularly since. Indeed, so you have no need for other things. However, sometimes I think in your description of things, you tend to assume that if you don't need something it is just someone with more money than sense, rather than realising that they have different needs than you. Like previously in your thread about people making appointments and how you never needed to do that. That is becasue you were never in the sort of job where that is vital (as luckily I am not either), but i know for many people without that level of organisation their jobs really wouldn't work. These devices really are important for those people. > One thing I could probably use [1] is a very compact mobile Internet > device of some sort, *like* the 'Ubisurfer' [2], as I don't want to > have to pay loads for it and don't want a contract or expiring PAYG > cost to be able to own it (the nearest I have to that atm is the eeePC > and Vodafone BB dongle) Now I would hate to be without that. It is more important to me than a phone would ever be. The iPhone is handy for that as it is an all in one, saves me carrying the phone and an iPod as I did previously, but it is small. > [1] Twice recently I had need to access the Internet whilst out and > about. Once I happened to have the laptop and MBB dongle with me but > it was flat but blagged the use of a power socket in PCW <g>. The > second was needing to look up something from Screwfix that I couldn't > find in-store and had to phone home and get daughter to do for me. > > [1] Don't think it supports flash though but did at least come as a > Ubuntu version. You really aren't good at these footnote are you! -- Woody
From: T i m on 28 Apr 2010 07:36 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:07:32 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:31:36 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) >> wrote: >> >> >Or you could use a newton >> >> Or a pen and paper. ;-) > >That works too. The newton was pretty good at actually making >appointments though. In fact, it may be 13 years since it was cancelled >but I have still to see anything better. How come though, how come something you obviously found so useful hasn't been duplicated since? > >> The thing is there are a load of things that go against much of the >> current technology (inc the iPad etc) like cost and need to be charged >> to be ready for use etc. Of course they can do a lot more but that's >> only a plus if they do the basic things (that_you_need) well. > >Agreed. > >> I sparked up the Palm T|X yesterday. It connected to my WiFi network >> quickly, streamed music, opened Google maps and displayed a searched >> town, did a bit of browsing and synched with my PC over WiFi. Ok, it's >> not 'nice' to use for most of those things (certainly compared with >> the iPhone / touch / pad) but for me it's not the experience that's >> the issue but the need (or lack of). I actually bought the T|X as a >> means of testing WiFi connectivity but it was soon usurped by the >> eeePC (as that could also run the WiFi spectrum analyzer). >> >> I was wondering if I was being 'flat world' with this sort of >> technology but comparing my acceptance of GPSs (and digital cameras, >> both from when they both became available) but they are things I >> actually had a need for then and have used regularly since. > >Indeed, so you have no need for other things. However, sometimes I think >in your description of things, you tend to assume that if you don't need >something it is just someone with more money than sense, rather than >realising that they have different needs than you. Of course I do but I can only speak on behalf of me (and therefore you must be reading things into what I'm saying that I'm not saying OR thinking! <g>). I was just suggesting that the iPad wouldn't be as useful to me as (say) Smurf as I don't do the sort of things Smurf does. This isn't an advocacy group remember so it is ok to offer alternative opinions. ;-) > >Like previously in your thread about people making appointments and how >you never needed to do that. That is becasue you were never in the sort >of job where that is vital (as luckily I am not either), but i know for >many people without that level of organisation their jobs really >wouldn't work. These devices really are important for those people. Of course (and why I ended with 'Suit you'). > >> One thing I could probably use [1] is a very compact mobile Internet >> device of some sort, *like* the 'Ubisurfer' [2], as I don't want to >> have to pay loads for it and don't want a contract or expiring PAYG >> cost to be able to own it (the nearest I have to that atm is the eeePC >> and Vodafone BB dongle) > >Now I would hate to be without that. It is more important to me than a >phone would ever be. Didn't you have the (Advent?) model with the built in MBB function? >The iPhone is handy for that as it is an all in one, saves me carrying >the phone and an iPod as I did previously, but it is small. I had a quick look at iPhones on ebay <gulp>. Are there any other portable Web browsing devices that could be cheap to buy, small enough to pocket, big enough to see and cheap to get on the net (even with very limited use)? > >> [1] Twice recently I had need to access the Internet whilst out and >> about. Once I happened to have the laptop and MBB dongle with me but >> it was flat but blagged the use of a power socket in PCW <g>. The >> second was needing to look up something from Screwfix that I couldn't >> find in-store and had to phone home and get daughter to do for me. >> >> [1] Don't think it supports flash though but did at least come as a >> Ubuntu version. > >You really aren't good at these footnote are you! It was just a test to see how you coped. Not very well it seems. ;-) Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on 28 Apr 2010 07:47
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:07:32 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:31:36 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Or you could use a newton > >> > >> Or a pen and paper. ;-) > > > >That works too. The newton was pretty good at actually making > >appointments though. In fact, it may be 13 years since it was cancelled > >but I have still to see anything better. > > How come though, how come something you obviously found so useful > hasn't been duplicated since? Don't know - patents, lack of imagination, don't know. > >> I was wondering if I was being 'flat world' with this sort of > >> technology but comparing my acceptance of GPSs (and digital cameras, > >> both from when they both became available) but they are things I > >> actually had a need for then and have used regularly since. > > > >Indeed, so you have no need for other things. However, sometimes I think > >in your description of things, you tend to assume that if you don't need > >something it is just someone with more money than sense, rather than > >realising that they have different needs than you. > > Of course I do but I can only speak on behalf of me (and therefore you > must be reading things into what I'm saying that I'm not saying OR > thinking! <g>). I was just suggesting that the iPad wouldn't be as > useful to me as (say) Smurf as I don't do the sort of things Smurf > does. This isn't an advocacy group remember so it is ok to offer > alternative opinions. ;-) Of course it is, and it is always good to have, although you have said (not implied) before that people bought certain things before as they had more money than sense. > >> One thing I could probably use [1] is a very compact mobile Internet > >> device of some sort, *like* the 'Ubisurfer' [2], as I don't want to > >> have to pay loads for it and don't want a contract or expiring PAYG > >> cost to be able to own it (the nearest I have to that atm is the eeePC > >> and Vodafone BB dongle) > > > >Now I would hate to be without that. It is more important to me than a > >phone would ever be. > > Didn't you have the (Advent?) model with the built in MBB function? MBB? I am typing on the advent which is connected to the net with a MiFi. It is very good when I am at work or if when I am somewhere with a table and power supply, such as when I do trade shows occasionally. It isn't much good anywhere else, it is basically a small laptop that I am less concerned about breaking or getting stolen than my real laptop (the macbook pro). However, in the street it isn't much use as it is too big to carry round, and you have to use the keyboard to do anything useful with it. it will be getting an iPad (but I need to get a UK sourced one, as it will be a company thing, so needs to be waranteed and have vat reciepts etc), although I still intend to get a wifi one, and use the mifi with it, > >The iPhone is handy for that as it is an all in one, saves me carrying > >the phone and an iPod as I did previously, but it is small. > > I had a quick look at iPhones on ebay <gulp>. Are there any other > portable Web browsing devices that could be cheap to buy, small enough > to pocket, big enough to see and cheap to get on the net (even with > very limited use)? Well, the iPod touch is pretty much the same without the phone. I did have (actually still do) the nokia n800, which is good as a mini computer, but not as flexible as the iPod with the internet. I travelled across the states with it the time before last and it was useful. It is a good size, although now having used the multitouch on the phone and iPod, I would be reluctant to go back to it. There are of course android devices, and my wife is very keen on her archos, although that is more a media player than can go on the net rather than a net device as such. -- Woody |