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From: T i m on 28 Apr 2010 08:48 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:47:11 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> How come though, how come something you obviously found so useful >> hasn't been duplicated since? > >Don't know - patents, lack of imagination, don't know. Ok. > >> Of course I do but I can only speak on behalf of me (and therefore you >> must be reading things into what I'm saying that I'm not saying OR >> thinking! <g>). I was just suggesting that the iPad wouldn't be as >> useful to me as (say) Smurf as I don't do the sort of things Smurf >> does. This isn't an advocacy group remember so it is ok to offer >> alternative opinions. ;-) > >Of course it is, and it is always good to have, although you have said >(not implied) before that people bought certain things before as they >had more money than sense. IMO, yes. There are people who will go out and buy stuff sight / spec unseen (because it's in / trendy rather than because of a need as such) and said thing can end up unsuitable and unused. Hence from my and many peoples general view they would have 'more money than sense'. It doesn't mean that's the case though does it? > >> >> Didn't you have the (Advent?) model with the built in MBB function? > >MBB? Sri, mobile broadband, SIM slot / mobile frequency broadband built in? > I am typing on the advent which is connected to the net with a >MiFi. It is very good when I am at work or if when I am somewhere with a >table and power supply, such as when I do trade shows occasionally. Ok. > >It isn't much good anywhere else, it is basically a small laptop that I >am less concerned about breaking or getting stolen than my real laptop >(the macbook pro). Makes sense. > >However, in the street it isn't much use as it is too big to carry >round, and you have to use the keyboard to do anything useful with it. Ok. > >it will be getting an iPad (but I need to get a UK sourced one, as it >will be a company thing, so needs to be waranteed and have vat reciepts >etc), although I still intend to get a wifi one, and use the mifi with >it, I'd forgotten about that solution (the MiFi). However, that would (for me) sort of defeat the point of expecting and all_in_one solution (like the 'Surfer' range). > >> >The iPhone is handy for that as it is an all in one, saves me carrying >> >the phone and an iPod as I did previously, but it is small. >> >> I had a quick look at iPhones on ebay <gulp>. Are there any other >> portable Web browsing devices that could be cheap to buy, small enough >> to pocket, big enough to see and cheap to get on the net (even with >> very limited use)? > >Well, the iPod touch is pretty much the same without the phone. Yeah, daughters b/f has one here at the moment though he also has his laptop so uses that all the time. >I did have (actually still do) the nokia n800, which is good as a mini >computer, but not as flexible as the iPod with the internet. Oh, because? >I travelled across the states with it the time before last and it was >useful. It is a good size, although now having used the multitouch on >the phone and iPod, I would be reluctant to go back to it. Ok. I think I looked at the 900 (?) in PCW but went for the T|X instead (can't remember why now ... I think the reviews on the N8/900 weren't that encouraging at the time or somesuch). > >There are of course android devices, and my wife is very keen on her >archos, although that is more a media player than can go on the net >rather than a net device as such. Hmm, that could be a solution though, or not bother with the mbb bit and go with a portable mbb router / MiFi etc. [2] Keep an old Linux laptop in the car [1](with 12V adaptor) and a non expiring mbb dongle in my pocket. ;-) Cheers, T i m p.s. Just played with the Touch again and even with the pinch - zoom thing it really isn't big enough for my big fingers and old eyes (to the point of getting very frustrated with it). [1] I'm generally at home or gone somewhere in the car. [1a] Could I unlock a 3 MiFi to work with my Voda non-expiring mbb SIM do you think please? [B] I note that Voda do a similar thing but it isn't cheap and I don't know what the deal is yet. [C] I think I'm getting the hang of this footnote thing now ...
From: Woody on 28 Apr 2010 09:40 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:47:11 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > > >> How come though, how come something you obviously found so useful > >> hasn't been duplicated since? > > > >Don't know - patents, lack of imagination, don't know. > > Ok. > > > >> Of course I do but I can only speak on behalf of me (and therefore you > >> must be reading things into what I'm saying that I'm not saying OR > >> thinking! <g>). I was just suggesting that the iPad wouldn't be as > >> useful to me as (say) Smurf as I don't do the sort of things Smurf > >> does. This isn't an advocacy group remember so it is ok to offer > >> alternative opinions. ;-) > > > >Of course it is, and it is always good to have, although you have said > >(not implied) before that people bought certain things before as they > >had more money than sense. > > IMO, yes. There are people who will go out and buy stuff sight / spec > unseen (because it's in / trendy rather than because of a need as > such) I think that is the thing - do they buy it becasue it is trendy or becasue they do have a need? I have certainly bought stuff sight unseen which did something I wanted. I think the amount of people who actually buy due to a trend is a lot lower than you think. > and said thing can end up unsuitable and unused. Hence from my > and many peoples general view they would have 'more money than sense'. > It doesn't mean that's the case though does it? If those are the facts, yet. > >> Didn't you have the (Advent?) model with the built in MBB function? > > > >MBB? > > Sri, mobile broadband, SIM slot / mobile frequency broadband built in? Oh no, mine is wireless but not mobile broadband. I have the mifi > >it will be getting an iPad (but I need to get a UK sourced one, as it > >will be a company thing, so needs to be waranteed and have vat reciepts > >etc), although I still intend to get a wifi one, and use the mifi with > >it, > > I'd forgotten about that solution (the MiFi). However, that would (for > me) sort of defeat the point of expecting and all_in_one solution > (like the 'Surfer' range). Well, there is the option. I have my mobile broadband on quite a good contract (5GB / �7.50 month). I use it on my advent (sim used to be in a dongle) and sometimes I use it in the house if the home broadband goes down or something (not often), and sometimes I have let other people use it to update thieir non net connected laptops. It is a very handy thing, and quite small. If I got the iPad with the built in 3G, I wouldn't be able to use its network for something else, so i am going to accept that as a compromise. Obviously it would be better if it did have its 3G, but the versatility of the connection is more important. > >> >The iPhone is handy for that as it is an all in one, saves me carrying > >> >the phone and an iPod as I did previously, but it is small. > >> > >> I had a quick look at iPhones on ebay <gulp>. Are there any other > >> portable Web browsing devices that could be cheap to buy, small enough > >> to pocket, big enough to see and cheap to get on the net (even with > >> very limited use)? > > > >Well, the iPod touch is pretty much the same without the phone. > > Yeah, daughters b/f has one here at the moment though he also has his > laptop so uses that all the time. > > >I did have (actually still do) the nokia n800, which is good as a mini > >computer, but not as flexible as the iPod with the internet. > > Oh, because? Well, I guess in some ways it is - it is more flexable in what you run, but the navigation is much harder than with the iPod. Obviously this depends on how you wish to navigate and (as below), your eyesight and dexterity. > >I travelled across the states with it the time before last and it was > >useful. It is a good size, although now having used the multitouch on > >the phone and iPod, I would be reluctant to go back to it. > > Ok. I think I looked at the 900 (?) in PCW but went for the T|X > instead (can't remember why now ... I think the reviews on the N8/900 > weren't that encouraging at the time or somesuch). The 900 is the 800 made into a phone, so it has the internet. > >There are of course android devices, and my wife is very keen on her > >archos, although that is more a media player than can go on the net > >rather than a net device as such. > > Hmm, that could be a solution though, or not bother with the mbb bit > and go with a portable mbb router / MiFi etc. [2] > Keep an old Linux laptop in the car [1](with 12V adaptor) and a non > expiring mbb dongle in my pocket. ;-) > > Cheers, T i m > > p.s. Just played with the Touch again and even with the pinch - zoom > thing it really isn't big enough for my big fingers and old eyes (to > the point of getting very frustrated with it). not so useful then > [1] I'm generally at home or gone somewhere in the car. > > [1a] Could I unlock a 3 MiFi to work with my Voda non-expiring mbb SIM > do you think please? [B] I note that Voda do a similar thing but it > isn't cheap and I don't know what the deal is yet. Yes, mine was an unlocked one I got on ebay. You can get them on PAYG and then just use the DC unlocker to unlock them. > [C] I think I'm getting the hang of this footnote thing now ... Getting better -- Woody
From: Peter Ceresole on 28 Apr 2010 10:51 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Like previously in your thread about people making appointments and how > you never needed to do that. That is becasue you were never in the sort > of job where that is vital (as luckily I am not either), but i know for > many people without that level of organisation their jobs really > wouldn't work. I was doing that kind of job for many years, years ago. I used (primarily) an A4 Dataday diary. It was big, heavy, relatively cheap. But it needed to be big to record (as in handwriting) the stuff I talked to those people about. Towards the end of my working life, I used to carry an NC200. A lot heavier and more expensive, but searchable. That was the breakthrough. I never felt I needed a mobile phone facility or anything like that, but then only wankers carried those (carried/hauled). And for a map, I had an AtoZ. Nowadays it'd be quite different. I suppose an iPhone or a Nokia would do. -- Peter
From: Sak Wathanasin on 28 Apr 2010 12:07 On 28 Apr, 15:51, pe...(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) wrote: > Towards the end of my working life, I used to carry an NC200. A lot > heavier and more expensive, but searchable. That was the breakthrough. Indeed - I kept a lab notebook for years like I'd been taught to. The trouble was finding stuff again ("What was the passphrase for that certificate I'd installed a couple of years go?"). The Newton for all its faults solved that problem for me and it could capture freehand sketches as well. There are a few sketch/doodle apps for the iPhone though I haven't investigated these as the iPhone screen is too small to be useful. I would guess the iPad in its initial release will only sync notes to Mail.app but perhaps in future you will be able to xfer stuff back and forth (I mean from the Finder, not just from a specific appl).
From: T i m on 28 Apr 2010 14:03
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:47 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> >Of course it is, and it is always good to have, although you have said >> >(not implied) before that people bought certain things before as they >> >had more money than sense. >> >> IMO, yes. There are people who will go out and buy stuff sight / spec >> unseen (because it's in / trendy rather than because of a need as >> such) > >I think that is the thing - do they buy it becasue it is trendy or >becasue they do have a need? I'm sure there are some of each but I was talking about the 'issues' with those who buy stuff to be trendy ('issues' being a perceived 'more money than sense' etc. (it may not be an issue to the person buying it of course, especially if they have more money than sense)). > >I have certainly bought stuff sight unseen which did something I wanted. >I think the amount of people who actually buy due to a trend is a lot >lower than you think. I'm not sure I mentioned any quantities did I (so I'm not sure how you would know how many I think)? > >> and said thing can end up unsuitable and unused. Hence from my >> and many peoples general view they would have 'more money than sense'. >> It doesn't mean that's the case though does it? > >If those are the facts, yet. K > >> >> Didn't you have the (Advent?) model with the built in MBB function? >> > >> >MBB? >> >> Sri, mobile broadband, SIM slot / mobile frequency broadband built in? > >Oh no, mine is wireless but not mobile broadband. I have the mifi Ah. I think they did make a model that was (at the time I was looking at the eeePC) but I think it wasn't as 'good' (specwise) as other models (smaller screen or keyboard etc) and for less money. > >> I'd forgotten about that solution (the MiFi). However, that would (for >> me) sort of defeat the point of expecting and all_in_one solution >> (like the 'Surfer' range). > >Well, there is the option. I have my mobile broadband on quite a good >contract (5GB / �7.50 month). Whilst that is quite good admittedly (the sort of money you could nearly lose in the background noise) it's still 90 quid a year. Good if you use it a lot (as you do) but probably a bit high for my impromptu and unpredictable use. > I use it on my advent (sim used to be in a >dongle) (that's what I was considering so good to know it's possible). > and sometimes I use it in the house if the home broadband goes >down or something (not often), (understood and likewise) > and sometimes I have let other people use >it to update thieir non net connected laptops. It is a very handy thing, >and quite small. Sounds ideal (if I can use my non expiring PAYG SIM). > >If I got the iPad with the built in 3G, I wouldn't be able to use its >network for something else, so i am going to accept that as a >compromise. Obviously it would be better if it did have its 3G, but the >versatility of the connection is more important. Yup, that makes good sense to me. I was initially looking for a an all_in_one but realised that limits the options somewhat. Is there a way of using the mobile dongles on an iPod Touch do you know ... iPod to USB cable (HOST) cable? > >> >I did have (actually still do) the nokia n800, which is good as a mini >> >computer, but not as flexible as the iPod with the internet. >> >> Oh, because? > >Well, I guess in some ways it is - it is more flexable in what you run, >but the navigation is much harder than with the iPod. Ok ta. > >Obviously this depends on how you wish to navigate and (as below), your >eyesight and dexterity. I was seeing if I could find something like a mobile broadband router on PCW. I got to PCW's site ok but didn't like the way the stuff kept dropping down across the screen or how I had to expand the display several times to even be able to read it (although it was good that you could etc). > >> Ok. I think I looked at the 900 (?) in PCW but went for the T|X >> instead (can't remember why now ... I think the reviews on the N8/900 >> weren't that encouraging at the time or somesuch). > >The 900 is the 800 made into a phone, so it has the internet. Ah, ta, so for 'our' use the 800 + MiFi would be ok. > >> [1a] Could I unlock a 3 MiFi to work with my Voda non-expiring mbb SIM >> do you think please? [B] I note that Voda do a similar thing but it >> isn't cheap and I don't know what the deal is yet. > >Yes, mine was an unlocked one I got on ebay. Ok. > You can get them on PAYG >and then just use the DC unlocker to unlock them. How much does that cost (I had a quick look on their site but it wasn't obvious). How many credits did you need? > >> [C] I think I'm getting the hang of this footnote thing now ... > >Getting better ;-) Cheers, T i m |