From: Leave me alone on
In article <16saah13cpbay.yb0t7vokfihy.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
Rowland of The BNP <rowlie(a)bnp.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 May 2010 23:42:44 +0100, Leave me alone wrote:
>
> > In article <14rmy72cuuz49$.18e4kaac2jcy8.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
> > Rowland McDrivel <Rowland_liar(a)physics.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:37:42 +0100, Jim bleated:
> >>
> >>> On 2010-05-27, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:12:15 +0100, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Hmm, but on something that is already 'expensive' would that really be
> >>>>>> an issue?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No, especially as they could absorb some of that (their profit margins
> >>>>>tend
> >>>>>towards 30%). Additionally they could play the 'locally made' card for
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>they're worth, which would be great advertising for them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The fact that they don't tells me that it would cost a lot more than �25
> >>>>>
> >>>> Maybe I'm just more more cynical then. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Quite possibly. The benefits of Apple manfacturing locally (per country)
> >>> would vastly outweigh the trivial price increase, if it were truly
> >>> trivial.
> >>>
> >>> The fact that they don't suggests to me that it wouldn't be a trivial
> >>> price
> >>> increase.
> >>>
> >>> Plus, as has been pointed out, 10 or 12 suicides per year in a workforce
> >>> of
> >>> almost half a million may well have nothing at all to do with the
> >>> company,
> >>> but instead just be the usual numbers you'd see in any group of 500,000
> >>> people in China. Or the West for that matter.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No you silly ponce, people in the workforce aren't just like any average
> >> group of 500,000 people. They are mentally and physically superior and
> >> sound enough to earn a living. A truly average group of 500,000 people
> >> includes physically and mentally ill people, who are at much greater risk
> >> of suicide.
> >
> > You are talking to Rowland about a concept that escapes him, ...work. He
> > has distant memories of work and even has some recent experience of his
> > wife going out to work, but Rowland would not know how to go about it.
>
> No work for Rowland since they dragged him from the classroom kicking and
> screaming. His behavior became too bizarre to tolerate.

He does have a job, in his mind and we know how flawed that is, he has
very important things to do on his Mac.
From: Pd on
Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote:

> On 27 May, 18:50, zoara <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > A suicide rate of 2/100.000/year is very low indeed,
> >
> > incredibly low even,
>
> Except that this is not a random sample of the general population;
> it's a group of "lucky" people with steady jobs, income, housing,
> leisure facilities &c. Now Foxconn don't sound like Cadburys or
> Rowntree in their heyday, but even so, compared to 16-hrs a day in the
> padi fields, it must seem like paradise. What is more, this is a
> group who applied to work in those factories, and will have been
> picked by the Foxconn HR as being able to cope with the conditions.
> Any suicide in such a group must be worrying.

There's an interesting interview with Steve Jobs about the issue over on
D8 (All Things Digital) <http://bit.ly/dkZPSN>

Full url for the paranoid:
<http://d8.allthingsd.com/20100602/d8-video-apple-ceo-steve-jobs-on-the-
foxconn-suicides/>

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Pd