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From: Woody on 27 May 2010 09:07 SteveH <italiancar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > > >I was recently wondering that. There was a shirt I looked at in M&S > > > >which was �29. The same sort of thing was �7 in primark. I know that > > > >primark stuff is all made from the blood of unicorns, the tears of > > > >children and thread made from live skinned kittens, but on the label it > > > >appears that M&S stuff is made in the same place. > > > > > > Ah, another example of the 'Apple TAX' then. > > > > No, cos with this shirt you are not getting anything extra. > > The extra is that it'll still look good after it has been washed a dozen > times, and therefore will last longer. That is the common logic, but in my direct experience not borne out in practice. The mac cost is slightly different. I can get more done on the mac faster, and enjoy the process, so the relative costs of the componants are nowhere near as important as the costs to my time. -- Woody
From: T i m on 27 May 2010 09:09 On Thu, 27 May 2010 13:57:56 +0100, chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 27/05/10 11:39, Woody wrote: >> >> Well, I just looked at the primark site, and they have a page about >> ethically sourcing materials etc. Obviously they would say that though. >> Clearly they must save a fair amount of money by just ripping off >> everyone elses designs and their shops must cost a lot less to run than >> M&S but it is still a huge price difference. > >Agreed. Would Primark even exist if there were no M&S et al to rip ideas >off of, though? I for one and my daughter and Wife for two more have no idea what style or particular lines M&S or any other shop may sell, we go in places like Primark for a specific practical solution rather than style or image or what's 'in fashion'. For daughter she's had 'a result' if she comes out with something that was already reduced then in a further sale and I'm happy if I can find something that just 'fits'. So if I come out with 'some T shirts' and 'a jumper' so my needs are generally met perfectly. ;-) Cheers, T i m
From: zoara on 27 May 2010 09:11 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > If so, wouldn't it be better (ethically) for it to be that way or is > it still better to provide this sort of work to someone in the far > East even with their known working conditions? It's not that simple. If Dell etc pulled out of manufacturing in China then unemployment would rocket, causing more problems than there are currently. There's no right answer. I've heard it said - before this current stink - that Foxconn are better than most. That opens the question... What are the others like? -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 27 May 2010 09:11 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > Hi all, > > On the news just now, it would seem many workers at the Foxconn > factory in China would rather commit suicide (and 11 or so have > already this year) than continue making the likes of the iPhone and > iPad? ;-( I find it curious that it's headline news that Foxconn manufacture stuff for Apple but the dozens of other large companies that Foxconn manufacture for barely get a mention. Is this because Apple is considered more newsworthy or something? This isn't an Apple story, it's an IT in general story. In fact, I'd go further and say it's a story about the failures of capitalism. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Woody on 27 May 2010 09:16
chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/05/10 11:39, Woody wrote: > > chris<ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> There's a reason why Dysons are much more expensive than similar > >>>> products. It's partly the technology and partly the higher costs of > >>>> being a UK-based company. > >>> > >>> Except they are still as expensive as they were even after they closed > >>> down their UK factories and moved to malaysia. > >> > >> They had already built up their market and the move was probably more > >> for their benefit rather than the consumer (i.e. better margins). > > > > Undoubtably. The price didn't go down once they sacked the UK workforce. > > Seemed odd that just after that mr Dyson was asked to provide advice to > > the government on manufacturing (I guess he said 'sack the british > > workers and move abroad') > > True, but they do still have a significant UK workforce too. They do. > Clearly > manufacturing is cheaper done elsewhere, but the other stuff (R&D, > engineering, marketing etc.) is done here. They are growning their UK > workforce too, so not quite so bad as you make out: > http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/corporate-sme/new-inno > vations-from-dyson-help-firm-to-double-its-profits-1.1030786 Noted. > >> In a > >> weird way, I'd bet if dysons were cheaper they wouldn't sell as well. > >> There's an elitist feel for people to say they have 'a dyson'. > > > > I think that is probably true for a lot of people. We got one as we had > > some friends raving about how good they are, and while I find the > > technical design fairly good, and like the no bag thing, I don't find > > the actual physical quality of it to be any better than any other vaccum > > cleaner i have tried. It is plasticy and fussy. Overall, when it dies > > and I am looking for another one, I will be checking reviews obviously > > but I certainly won't be paying anything over the odds for the name. > > Yeah, we bought a miele when everyone was going hysterical over dysons. > I did want to support a british manufacturer (a clever one at that), but > ultimately they were too expensive for us... I guess I am in the camp of not often caring that much where something is made, as long as it is made well. Although I do take into account in cost where something was made. > > Well, I just looked at the primark site, and they have a page about > > ethically sourcing materials etc. Obviously they would say that though. > > Clearly they must save a fair amount of money by just ripping off > > everyone elses designs and their shops must cost a lot less to run than > > M&S but it is still a huge price difference. > > Agreed. Would Primark even exist if there were no M&S et al to rip ideas > off of, though? Probably not, but then, the same can be said for a lot of places. I mean river island wouldn't have anything to put on their shelves if they didn't have allsaints to rip off. -- Woody |