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From: T i m on 27 May 2010 08:30 On Thu, 27 May 2010 13:23:51 +0100, chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Then maybe that's how it should be? Is the cost of a sharks life >> 'right' because someone just wants a bowl of sharks fin soup? > >What's 'right' rarely figures in business, sadly. If enough people will >buy a product at the right price then it will be sold. Be it shark fins >or sweatshop derived clothes. True. ;-( > >>> >>> Apple products are already perceived as being expensive, but people >>> accept it because they are better quality or a better 'cool factor'. >>> Push the price up even more and the market disappears. >> >> I think some of the market would disappear yes, but if someone wants >> something and they 'value' the features you mention then I think they >> will pay 'the price'. What's more I think they could even sell 'The >> price', if they can add the 'Fairtrade' ideals in their marketing? > >Given the current economic crisis (so we're told) I'm amazed at how >resilient Apple's bottom line has been. It'd be nuts to change your >target now, I'd say. Well of course, if we are all just here to make money. > >> (Whilst George suggests Apple may be better than some they may be in a >> better position to put some leverage on<suppliers> to do better. More >> so than people selling phones or motherboards for a fraction of the >> price of Apple products etc). > >As said elsethread, Apple are doing just that. And are looking deeper into it now I understand. Cheers, T i m
From: SteveH on 27 May 2010 08:33 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > Yes. > > > > I'd have ordered an iPad at �399. > > > > At �429 it has broken a 'barrier' and I've stalled over purchasing. > > > > Kind of hoping they'll turn up on the refurb store in the not too > > distant future. > > Well, they will turn up on the refurb shop but as current shipping ones > are now 'some time in june', you are going to be lucky to see them any > time soon! I know - was hoping the Education Store would have had a few quid off them, but sadly not. (Mrs H is studying part-time at a qualifying college, but they don't qualify for the proper Education store, IYSWIM) My 'personal bonus' is due this month, so we'll see what that brings - I've put a chunk of my 'corporate bonus' into building a track day car, and don't want to touch the rest.... However, I have a job interview lined up in 2 weeks time [1] - if I get it, I'll buy a 32GB Wifi as a celebration. [1] I believe the technical term is 'head hunted', as it came out of the blue. -- SteveH
From: chris on 27 May 2010 08:57 On 27/05/10 11:39, Woody wrote: > chris<ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> There's a reason why Dysons are much more expensive than similar >>>> products. It's partly the technology and partly the higher costs of >>>> being a UK-based company. >>> >>> Except they are still as expensive as they were even after they closed >>> down their UK factories and moved to malaysia. >> >> They had already built up their market and the move was probably more >> for their benefit rather than the consumer (i.e. better margins). > > Undoubtably. The price didn't go down once they sacked the UK workforce. > Seemed odd that just after that mr Dyson was asked to provide advice to > the government on manufacturing (I guess he said 'sack the british > workers and move abroad') True, but they do still have a significant UK workforce too. Clearly manufacturing is cheaper done elsewhere, but the other stuff (R&D, engineering, marketing etc.) is done here. They are growning their UK workforce too, so not quite so bad as you make out: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/corporate-sme/new-innovations-from-dyson-help-firm-to-double-its-profits-1.1030786 >> In a >> weird way, I'd bet if dysons were cheaper they wouldn't sell as well. >> There's an elitist feel for people to say they have 'a dyson'. > > I think that is probably true for a lot of people. We got one as we had > some friends raving about how good they are, and while I find the > technical design fairly good, and like the no bag thing, I don't find > the actual physical quality of it to be any better than any other vaccum > cleaner i have tried. It is plasticy and fussy. Overall, when it dies > and I am looking for another one, I will be checking reviews obviously > but I certainly won't be paying anything over the odds for the name. Yeah, we bought a miele when everyone was going hysterical over dysons. I did want to support a british manufacturer (a clever one at that), but ultimately they were too expensive for us... >>>> I have to agree that Apple is being unfairly singled out here. It's the >>>> cheap as chips manufacturers that need to be targetted, as they are the >>>> ones driving prices and standards down. e.g. Primark and George(a)Asda >>>> have been criticised for the labour they use, but not the likes of M&S. >>> >>> I was recently wondering that. There was a shirt I looked at in M&S >>> which was �29. The same sort of thing was �7 in primark. I know that >>> primark stuff is all made from the blood of unicorns, the tears of >>> children and thread made from live skinned kittens, but on the label it >>> appears that M&S stuff is made in the same place. >> >> That's because<voice type="husky woman">It's not just a shirt, it's an >> M&S shirt</voice> ;) >> >> Seriously, though. It could well be made at the same place, but with >> 'responsibly sourced' raw materials and better paid staff. Also, I'd >> imagine M&S's overheads are much higher than primark (pack 'em high, >> sell 'em cheap). > > Well, I just looked at the primark site, and they have a page about > ethically sourcing materials etc. Obviously they would say that though. > Clearly they must save a fair amount of money by just ripping off > everyone elses designs and their shops must cost a lot less to run than > M&S but it is still a huge price difference. Agreed. Would Primark even exist if there were no M&S et al to rip ideas off of, though?
From: Woody on 27 May 2010 09:07 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 09:17:21 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > After a decade of using china for manufacturing > >everything, we are used to the fact that everything is much cheaper than > >it used to be. > > And than it really aught to be? Indeed. > I mean, I wonder how many less they > (especially Apple) would sell. There is no way to find out. I know my first apple powerbook in 1990 was more expensive (absolute price) than my last macbook last year. > ie I believe you have ordered one of > the lower end iPads because you have used logic and reasoning (knowing > you have the MiFi etc) to select a model to suit your projected needs. > However, whilst you might have again chosen that model from the range > you would still have bought one even if it was �25 more expensive (�25 > in what, �500?). I would, although I suspect it is a lot more than �25 in it. -- Woody
From: Woody on 27 May 2010 09:07
SteveH <italiancar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Yes. > > > > > > I'd have ordered an iPad at �399. > > > > > > At �429 it has broken a 'barrier' and I've stalled over purchasing. > > > > > > Kind of hoping they'll turn up on the refurb store in the not too > > > distant future. > > > > Well, they will turn up on the refurb shop but as current shipping ones > > are now 'some time in june', you are going to be lucky to see them any > > time soon! > > I know - was hoping the Education Store would have had a few quid off > them, but sadly not. (Mrs H is studying part-time at a qualifying > college, but they don't qualify for the proper Education store, IYSWIM) I heard the proper education store wasn't any cheaper either. I qualifiy for it, but i am buying mine through my company, so I don't think I can get away with that anyway :-) > However, I have a job interview lined up in 2 weeks time [1] - if I get > it, I'll buy a 32GB Wifi as a celebration. > > [1] I believe the technical term is 'head hunted', as it came out of the > blue. Always handy -- Woody |