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From: Jim Glidewell on 3 Feb 2010 10:02 Steve Hix <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > In article > <860168959286676040.776876jim_glidewell-yahoo.com(a)eternal-september.org> > , > Jim Glidewell <jim_glidewell(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Sorry - by "sync" I mean all the stuff that happens when I press the > > "Sync" button in iTunes. This includes media syncing from the Mac > > and > > backup. My contacts, etc. don't sync through iTunes. > > Because you turned them off, not because it's not possible to do in > iTunes, right? That's correct - I use me.com to sync my iPod, but I could use iTunes instead. With multiple Macs and iPods in the house, I find using Mobile Me easier.
From: Doc O'Leary on 3 Feb 2010 12:52 In article <michelle-26B27A.12054602022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <droleary.usenet-ED933C.12261602022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > You claim that will be the case, but offer no evidence, > > I have seen no evidence to the contrary. Absence of evidence is not evidence of presence. > > and I maintain that all prior evidence from Apple on similar devices > > points to the fact that you're probably going to need access to a > > computer of some kind in addition to having the iPad. > > The only functions you need a computer for an iPhone are to start service, > and to upgrade firmware. Everything else can be done via WiFi or AT&T with > a mobile me account. And? How many times do I have to repeat that it is, of *course*, quite possible for an iPad to *rarely* be connected to a computer, just like the other iTouch devices? That *is* the point of having a mobile device! You're not being insightful when you keep beating that dead horse. > In his presentation, Jobs said that you can establish data service for the > iPad right from the iPad, right out of the box. So all that leaves is > upgrading firmware, and what with the all the advances made, it is entirely > possible that you will be able to be able to download the upgrade directly. > The CPU is much faster than the iPhone's, which eliminates the need for the > computer as an intermediary. And of course, it is not necessary to upgrade > the firmware; highly recommended, but not necessary. So, again, you're just yammering on without really *knowing*, right? You have no stake in being wrong, so you're just shoveling out nonsense that might end up costing people. Unless you're going to offer to *buy* people a "system requirements" computer should the iPad indeed need one, please stop pretending you know that it doesn't. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Doc O'Leary on 3 Feb 2010 13:01 In article <michelle-67EA61.12092902022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <droleary.usenet-0119E2.12195102022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > > So at this point it appears that you won't need to connect it to a > > > computer. > > > > No hard data exists to support that statement. > > There is no hard data to support your belief that there will be a need to > connect it to the computer. Your only rationale is "That's the way they've > always done it." Well, if Apple had stuck to "That's the way we've always > done it," we wouldn't have a Macintosh, iPhone, iPod, or iPad. > > So how about you providing some specific examples of necessary functions > that would require that the iPad be connected to a computer? It is not about laws of physics, it is about how Apple is choosing to support the technology. I have offered many lines of evidence (including, yes, past behavior) that indicate a master computer of some kind is necessary for an iPad. You haven't offered even *one* definitive statement that indicates that might not be the case. All you've been pushing is the crazy-obvious point that a mobile device like the iPad does indeed function as a mobile device. But until you can link to *anything* that indicates "no other computer required", you need to be silent for the sake of Lincoln. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Doc O'Leary on 4 Feb 2010 13:00 In article <michelle-0A480D.11084603022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <droleary.usenet-5160CF.11521803022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > So, again, you're just yammering on without really *knowing*, right? > > And you are not? Nope. I'm saying we don't know. I'm saying that all indirect signs point to needing a computer. The difference is that your line of thinking might have people with only $500 to spend lined up to buy something cool that might just end up being a paperweight if they don't have a computer that supports it. I'm taking the more prudent approach and saying that if you haven't already dropped another $1000 on a Mac or PC, you better be prepared to do it after you get the iPad. > At least I have reasoning behind what I have been saying. All you have is > your dogmatism that you are right. I'm claiming to be right about anything. I'm just being rational about where the evidence leads us. You, on the other hand, are making the absurd claim that because it is technically *possible* to use a mobile device without a computer, it must be the case that the iPad requires no computer. The sad part is that you might even end up being right, but for the same reason a lottery player is a winner: sheer luck. > > You have no stake in being wrong, so you're just shoveling out nonsense > > that might end up costing people. > > Bullshit. It won't cost anyone anything, nor is it nonsense. Unless you're prepared to guarantee an iPad as an investment that will always go up in value, someone who buys one without a computer that can't use it will end up losing money in the resale. Or they'll have to sink extra money into a suitable computer to attach it to. Or they'll have to pay for some extra services to do the same task. Again, unless you're promising to cover those costs, nobody should listen to you. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Doc O'Leary on 4 Feb 2010 13:23
In article <michelle-7B2F69.13285903022010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <droleary.usenet-F3474D.12015903022010(a)news.twtelecom.net>, > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet(a)1q2010.subsume.com> wrote: > > > > So how about you providing some specific examples of necessary > > > functions that would require that the iPad be connected to a computer? > > > > It is not about laws of physics, > > I never said anything about the laws of physics; you're introducing a red > hering. No, I'm pointing out that just because something might be technically possible without violating the laws of physics means absolutely nothing when it comes to support by a product on the market. By your tortured logic, an iPad *must* be able to run Microsoft Office (and, indeed, all Mac OS X desktop software) because it is *possible* to do so, and Steve never said you couldn't! > > it is about how Apple is choosing to support the technology. I have > > offered many lines of evidence (including, yes, past behavior) that > > indicate a master computer of some kind is necessary for an iPad. > > All you've offered is "That's the way it was done," but you didn't bother > to consider the differences between the iPad and what has gone before. > That does not constitute "many lines of evidence". Go back and re-read all my posts. I gave a number of "because" reasons I'm not going to bother repeating. Why is it so hard for you to admit that you're being unreasonable? > > You haven't offered even *one* > > definitive statement that indicates that might not be the case. > > On the contrary; I've shown that everything (with the possible exception of > upgrading the OS/firmware) can be done either with the iPad by itself or > with a moble-me account. Waving your hands is not evidence. Just give me one link to any statement by Apple that says "computer optional". That simple act would make you a real winner *now*, instead of crossing your fingers and hoping you'll be right when it ships. > > But until you can link to *anything* that indicates "no other computer > > required", you need to be silent for the sake of Lincoln. > > On the contrary, unless you can link to something that indicates "computer > required" (which you have adamantly refused to do), you are the one who > needs to shut up. I have refused no such thing. I have merely stated that Apple has *not* made a direct statement one way or the other, and that is why *you* are being a jerk when you insist on shoving your viewpoint around. As I said, all signs on the spec page point to a computer being needed: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ If you have anything other than hand waving and sophistry, show it or I'm done with you. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, ono.com, and probably your server, too. |