From: R on
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> R <me32(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> > Ok. Let's consider getting photographs out of a camera /yourself/.
[...]
> No you wouldn't - you would take the film out of the back of the camera
> and toddle down to supersnaps and get them back 3 days later.

I took great care to emphasize the word "yourself".

>
> > Which of the two methods is simpler and more streamlined? That
> > is partly what I mean by computers being liberating. (And before
> > someone mentions it - yes, then, as now, you can pay someone
> > else to develop and print your photographs if you don't mind the
> > loss of control and immediacy).
>
> People in general didnt mind

I wasn't talking about "people in general".

> Yes, for a few people it has been nothing short of liberating, but for
> an equal number ithas been a nightmare.

I accept that some people do find computers challenging. I certainly
wouldn't object to something else being made available that they
would find more suitable.

What I object to is that something else being forced upon the rest of
us, as if it's good for everyone. That's just as bad as complicated
devices being forced onto people with simple needs.

If that's not the way things are heading, I will be happy. But there is
this meme developing that suggests the opposite. Perhaps it is all
too far-fetched. Who knows? It does rather feel like we are entering
a period of astonishing change though.

> There are still lots of people that can't use them, and they are over
> complicated for what they do, for historical reasons.

Indeed!

> I mean, I love them, but I know many people that dont.
>
> > That to me is liberating - making available
> > to the masses what was once the privilege of the few. This is all
> > possible because the computer is the ultimate you can think it
> > you can do it tool.
>
> It isn't. It is a 'if you can think it and find someone else who can
> show you how you can do it, and if you are capable of doing it, it will
> do it tool'.
> I know many artists that won't go near one, and can't understand them at
> all. That is not their fault, it is the computer.
>
> If you are an author, back in the old days you would go to your desk,
> start typing. now you go to your desk, start your computer, run your
> word processor, navigate round your system to find your file, start
> writing hoping that the application doesn't crash and lose all your
> work, then save, make some backups.

Do you remember Tipp-Ex? :)

And do you remember fiddling about with ribbons?

I'm amazed how people take things for granted these days. I still
remember how my father had to go to the bank on a Friday
afternoon to get money for the weekend because ATMs (another
kind of computer) did not exist (people didn't tend to use credit or
debit cards in those days either).

Many people wouldn't even be alive today if it weren't for computers
used in hospitals. The computer is the most amazing invention ever!

> > And the iPad is not, by the look of it, such a
> > tool. You will be limited by the device and by Apple, and not so
> > much by your imagination.
>
> Again, if you are an author, press the start button, press your
> application, start typing.

How many words per minute do you think you could do on an on
screen keyboard? Rough guess? :)

> Sounds easier to me.

[...]

> This is not an ultimate device, any more than a comptuer is. But as much
> as I love computers I know that they are a wall of fear for some

Oh, come off it, "wall of fear"? Hehe :)

Cheers,

R.
From: Sak Wathanasin on
In article <8dKdnQZ9Ofaa9y7WnZ2dnUVZ8rpi4p2d(a)brightview.co.uk>,
David Kennedy <davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:

> Maybe even iSteve can learn from his mistakes?

If you try to put every feature that might be needed in v1.0, it'll never
get released. It's much better to release something with enough features
that it is useable and add stuff later. I would class printing is a "nice to
have" not "absolutely essential".

--

Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
http://www.network-analysis.ltd.uk
From: Chris Ridd on
On 2010-04-01 13:01:52 +0100, R said:

> Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> R <me32(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>>>> Media (music, videos, books, podcasts etc) - yes.
>>>
>>> Yes - if you don't mind the poor quality. Poor quality sound,
>>> low resolution video and books, etc etc.
>>
>> The quality of sound and video is much higher than was available to most
>> people in the history of TVs and computers
>
> I'm struggling the recall those 3.5" cinema screens.

It definitely isn't the same size as a cinema screen.

But don't look at the absolute size, look at the effective size. You do
hold the small screen closeish to your eyes, so the effective size is
bigger than 3.5".
--
Chris

From: David Kennedy on
Phil Taylor wrote:
> In article<o_-dnZSEmNFg5CnWnZ2dnUVZ8gBi4p2d(a)brightview.co.uk>, David
> Kennedy<davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Peter Ceresole wrote:
>>> David Kennedy<davidkennedy(a)nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They are superb cooks.
>>>>
>>>> They would improve immeasurably if they chose to use the Aga rather than
>>>> just having it for show.
>>>
>>> Of course they *use* it. In the same way that in the mountains they use
>>> a wood-burning range. But they need a proper cooker *as well*.
>>
>> How quaint. Still, electricity does have a certain charm...
>
> Has its drawbacks too. Tuesday night I had a power cut while cooking
> dinner. This being an isolated country house it's not an uncommon
> event, especially during snow storms, so I lit candles and got out a
> couple of camping gas cookers to finish my dinner on. An AGA would
> have been useful. Later on I went to sleep rolled in a duvet in front
> of the coal fire, much to the entertainment of the dog and cat. The

Some of our friends think it's "so quaint" that we have a coal fire and
a solid fuel Rayburn. I've lost count of how many times we would have
been very cold and hungry without them.

> power was not restored until Wednesday afternoon. It took me an hour
> to notice that two rings on the cooker were still on. Isn't it a good
> job that I hadn't left the gas cookers sitting on top of the electric
> cooker?
>
> Phil Taylor

It might work as a way of telling you when the power is back on...

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Geoff Berrow on
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:18:10 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>
wrote:

>> I'm struggling the recall those 3.5" cinema screens.
>
>It definitely isn't the same size as a cinema screen.
>
>But don't look at the absolute size, look at the effective size. You do
>hold the small screen closeish to your eyes, so the effective size is
>bigger than 3.5".

At about a foot, my iphone is the same relative size as the 42" at my
normal viewing distance. Of course, I need my reading glasses to see
it then.
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