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From: Teemu Likonen on 30 May 2010 04:30 * 2010-05-29 22:58 (-0700), Brian Marshall wrote: > Any idea why the default was changed? No idea. Indeed, I think long-iso would be better default for this kind of technical dates which are shown in tabular form. With fi_FI.UTF-8 locale the output of "ls -l" is difficult to read because the width of the date column is not fixed. In practice TIME_STYLE=locale is not usable at all (with "ls -l"). $ LC_TIME=fi_FI.UTF-8 TIME_STYLE=locale /bin/ls -l / total 101 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 30.1. 21:55 bin drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 25.5. 20:33 boot lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 16.8.2009 cdrom -> media/cdrom drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4200 30.5. 07:30 dev drwxr-xr-x 122 root root 12288 30.5. 09:52 etc drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 1.5. 22:13 home lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 16.8.2009 initrd.img -> [...] drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 12288 23.1. 16:23 lib drwx------ 2 root root 16384 16.8.2009 lost+found drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 30.5. 06:58 media drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 16.8.2009 mnt drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 16.8.2009 opt dr-xr-xr-x 124 root root 0 30.5. 06:58 proc drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 9.5. 13:58 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 11.3. 20:16 sbin drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 16.9.2008 selinux drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 16.8.2009 srv drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 0 30.5. 06:58 sys drwxrwxrwt 16 root root 16384 30.5. 10:37 tmp drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 16.8.2009 usr drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 16.8.2009 var lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 16.8.2009 vmlinuz -> [...] -- Feel free to Cc me your replies if you want to make sure I'll notice them. I can't read all the list mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871vct4xu1.fsf(a)mithlond.arda
From: Camaleón on 30 May 2010 05:20 On Sun, 30 May 2010 11:04:59 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,29.May.10, 22:58:59, Brian Marshall wrote: >> >> Any idea why the default was changed? I guess it didn't really make >> sense to change the date format based on whether it was an ISO-8859 or >> UTF-8 locale? (en_US.ISO-8859, to my knowledge, has always used the >> date format that en_US.UTF-8 is now using.) > > Why not? This way people using other languages now have a localized > date. Having an option to change the default is very good, but ISO date representation is there precisely to avoid the date localization madness, so I for one would also expect as default the using of ISO date standard. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.05.30.09.19.03(a)gmail.com
From: Nuno Magalhães on 30 May 2010 05:50 On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:19, Camaleón <noelamac(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Having an option to change the default is very good, but ISO date > representation is there precisely to avoid the date localization madness, > so I for one would also expect as default the using of ISO date standard. +1 for ISO as default In any case if locales were the reasoning, pt_PT.UTF-8 oughta be "30 Mai 2010" or something when it's actually just a translation from english, "Mai 30 2010". Is there a way to push things into changing back? -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraÅ html-a retpoÅto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTimvWYOPWUaRxXzUYj_CLNeNNKpndRfW2ekD6F_I(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Teemu Likonen on 30 May 2010 06:20 * 2010-05-30 10:44 (+0100), Nuno Magalh�es wrote: > +1 for ISO as default > Is there a way to push things into changing back? Use TIME_STYLE=long-iso or contact the GNU coreutils upstream. First search their mailing list archives for related discussions: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/ http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/ Then maybe report about problems: http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/faq/coreutils-faq.html#How-do-I-report-a-bug_003f -- Feel free to Cc me your replies if you want to make sure I'll notice them. I can't read all the list mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sk59u2ru.fsf(a)mithlond.arda
From: Ron Johnson on 30 May 2010 07:30
On 05/29/2010 11:17 PM, Teemu Likonen wrote: [snip] > > Yes, the default has changed. You can change the default with TIME_STYLE > environment variable, like this: > > export TIME_STYLE=long-iso > Another method is the --time-style option. For example: $ alias dir='ls -aFl --time-style=+"%F %T"' $ dir 19*jpg -rw------- 1 me me 158770 2007-09-25 23:15:08 19_20_Aircraft10.jpg -rw------- 1 me me 114455 2007-09-25 23:15:26 19_20_Aircraft11.jpg -rw------- 1 me me 139353 2007-09-25 23:13:45 19_20_Aircraft12.jpg -rw------- 1 me me 85438 2007-09-25 23:15:57 19_20_Aircraft6.jpg -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C024A0E.6050701(a)cox.net |