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From: Stephan Seitz on 1 Jun 2010 15:30 On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 10:58:09AM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: >Andrei Popescu wrote: >>For me dd mmm yyyy is very clear ... >Even when the month abbreviation is in a language you don't know? Then I can always use âenv LANG=C ls -lâ. >That's why the ISO date formats are numeric: As long as one uses >[whatever the right name for our Arabic-digit-based decimal system >is], one can read the ISO date format. Only if you know, it is ISO date format. Using the name for the month does not make things more complicated with the exception of parsing the output with another program. Shade and sweet water! Stephan -- | Stephan Seitz E-Mail: stse(a)fsing.rootsland.net | | PGP Public Keys: http://fsing.rootsland.net/~stse/pgp.html |
From: Andrei Popescu on 1 Jun 2010 16:30 On Ma, 01 iun 10, 13:56:12, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > From SUSv3: > "The <date and time> field shall contain the appropriate date and timestamp of > when the file was last modified. In the POSIX locale, the field shall be the > equivalent of the output of the following date command: > > date "+%b %e %H:%M" > > if the file has been modified in the last six months, or: > > date "+%b %e %Y" ... > Of course, SUS basically ignores any locale other than "POSIX" or "C", > but there is rarely a good reason to be different in other locales. One reason would be that '%b %e %Y' makes sense only to Americans >:-) Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
From: Ron Johnson on 1 Jun 2010 16:50 On 06/01/2010 03:23 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Ma, 01 iun 10, 13:56:12, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> From SUSv3: >> "The<date and time> field shall contain the appropriate date and timestamp of >> when the file was last modified. In the POSIX locale, the field shall be the >> equivalent of the output of the following date command: >> >> date "+%b %e %H:%M" >> >> if the file has been modified in the last six months, or: >> >> date "+%b %e %Y" > ... >> Of course, SUS basically ignores any locale other than "POSIX" or "C", >> but there is rarely a good reason to be different in other locales. > > One reason would be that '%b %e %Y' makes sense only to Americans>:-) > I've often wondered where that date convention originates. The military (or, at least, the Navy) and DEC, when it created VMS (don't know about it's earlier OSs) realizes the flaw in that format and thus uses DD-AAA-YYYY. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C057015.6020303(a)cox.net
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 1 Jun 2010 16:50 On Tuesday 01 June 2010 15:23:11 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Ma, 01 iun 10, 13:56:12, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > From SUSv3: > > "The <date and time> field shall contain the appropriate date and > > timestamp of when the file was last modified. In the POSIX locale, the > > field shall be the equivalent of the output of the following date > > command: > > > > date "+%b %e %H:%M" > > > > if the file has been modified in the last six months, or: > > > > date "+%b %e %Y" > > > Of course, SUS basically ignores any locale other than "POSIX" or "C", > > but there is rarely a good reason to be different in other locales. > > One reason would be that '%b %e %Y' makes sense only to Americans >:-) In this specific case, I'd say that is a good reason to be different. I wouldn't say ISO format is the correct way to be different -- probably something that uses '%b', '%e', and '%Y' and has 3 spaces, but not is the same order is appropriate. That's just my gut feeling though. It's a local(e) thing, so I can only really speak for en_US(a)Arkansas. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: Erwan David on 2 Jun 2010 02:10
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/01/2010 03:23 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Ma, 01 iun 10, 13:56:12, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >>> From SUSv3: >>> "The<date and time> field shall contain the appropriate date and >>> timestamp of >>> when the file was last modified. In the POSIX locale, the field shall >>> be the >>> equivalent of the output of the following date command: >>> >>> date "+%b %e %H:%M" >>> >>> if the file has been modified in the last six months, or: >>> >>> date "+%b %e %Y" >> ... >>> Of course, SUS basically ignores any locale other than "POSIX" or "C", >>> but there is rarely a good reason to be different in other locales. >> >> One reason would be that '%b %e %Y' makes sense only to Americans>:-) >> > > I've often wondered where that date convention originates. The military > (or, at least, the Navy) and DEC, when it created VMS (don't know about > it's earlier OSs) realizes the flaw in that format and thus uses > DD-AAA-YYYY. > But for sorting easily, YYYY-MM-DD is the best format. -- Erwan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C05F3AA.2060401(a)rail.eu.org |