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From: Rowland McDonnell on 23 Jan 2010 16:47 David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > It was called the Apple key back in the days of the Apple II, > > > > > > Not plain old Apple ][s, it wasn't - they didn't have 'em. > > > > > > Power light, esc, ctrl, reset, rept, L and R arrows - the only `not > > > present on a typewriter' keys on the Apple ][ Europlus that I've just > > > unearthed from said cupboard. > > > > I've just checked my Apple 2's: the ][europlus doesn't have an Apple > > key. The //e does. > > That's why I listed the models which had the key - Apple III, IIe, IIc > and IIgs. By "Apple II" I meant the family. > > Here is the full sentence I wrote, the rest of which Roland snipped, > apparently after reading "Apple II" too literally. What he did was read what you wrote and wanted more information - he failed to do as you claimed. And he also failed to be spelt without a bloody W, you cur. The fact that you listed particular models in the manner you did failed to convey to me the information that you were definitely saying /only/ those models of Apple ][ // 2 (whatever) had the key. So I figured that they turned up at some point and asked if anyone knew which point. That is to my mind very obviously not me mistaking your meaning or running into trouble due to an overliteral interpretation - but instead just asking for further information to pin something down more tightly. > David Empson wrote: > > It was called the Apple key back in the days of the Apple II, since > > the key just had an Apple symbol on it (Open Apple on an Apple III, > > IIe and IIc; the Option key started out as Closed/Solid Apple). `in the days of the Apple II' - right, which started in the 1970s, those days, didn't they? So I wondered when the keys turned up, exactly, 'cos you obviously knew what you were on about and the Apple keys weren't there at the start. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 23 Jan 2010 16:47 Dorian Gray <D.Gray(a)picture.invalid> wrote: > In article <l6udnTxX7cS0f8TWnZ2dnUVZ7rJi4p2d(a)brightview.co.uk>, > Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> wrote: > > > And the fn key is just above the forward-delete key, > > but I've no idea what it's for. > > Then you're not reading the rest of the thread (see "Re: Aplgies for > errors and confusion was Re: newcomer"), otherwise you would know > exactly all the things it is for. :) It's a bit of a big thread. Why not tell him what it's for? I forget all the jobs - but fn-delete does forward delete and fn-F[1-blah] works as a sort of shift key - if the f-key was going to give you `brightness control' or whatever, it'll give you f1 instead (e.g.); or vice-versa. System Prefs->Keyboard has more on this... Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Dorian Gray on 23 Jan 2010 16:50 In article <1jctgcn.1eze3fd11hox9pN%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>, dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > > > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lots of PCs have keyboards have extra keys on them, such as volume > > > > > controls and an eject key. I've got a Fujitsu keyboard here somewhere > > > > > like that. They presumably come with a driver disk (for Windows) to > > > > > make > > > > > those key do something, but a Mac won't recognise them unless there's > > > > > also a Mac driver disk. > > > > > > > > This was a keyboard designed for Macs. Keyboards designed for Windoze > > > > don't have Mac style command keys, do they? > > > > > > Assuming you mean the Mac's 'Command' (curly pretzel) key, no. > > > > What we used to call the Apple key, until Apple took the Apple symbol > > off it. > > It was called the Apple key back in the days of the Apple II, since the > key just had an Apple symbol on it (Open Apple on an Apple III, IIe and > IIc; the Option key started out as Closed/Solid Apple). The IIgs even > used the Apple symbol in its menu shortcuts. > > The Macintosh (1984) started out by using just the "cloverleaf" symbol > on the Command key, and in menus, and called it "Command" from day one. > (I'm not familiar enough with the Lisa.) > <snip>> > Hence the Apple symbol was for the Apple IIgs, and the Command symbol > was for the Macintosh. > > After a while the Apple/Command symbol pairing stuck, even beyond the > demise of the Apple IIgs (1992), but Apple persisted in calling the key > "Command" and using the Command symbol to refer to it. Actually, it has always been the command key - it is just that the main modifier key symbol changed from the Apple symbol to the St John's Arms symbol, from: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key> "The Apple Lisa had only the closed Apple logo. When the Macintosh was introduced in 1984, the keyboard had a single command key with a Saint John's Arms (also called a four leaf clover) symbol (U+2318), because Steve Jobs said that showing the Apple logo throughout the menus as a keyboard shortcut was "taking [it] in vain."[1] Thus, the U+2318 symbol appears in the Macintosh menus as the primary modifier key symbol." It's an interesting article to read through.
From: Dorian Gray on 23 Jan 2010 17:09 In article <1jcs1y3.7g2qiu1b823u2N%jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>, jim(a)magrathea.plus.com (Jim) wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > This was a keyboard designed for Macs. Keyboards designed for Windoze > > don't have Mac style command keys, do they? > > Assuming you mean the Mac's 'Command' (curly pretzel) key, no. On a Windows keyboard, the Windows key is used in Mac OS X for the command key. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_key>
From: Jim on 23 Jan 2010 17:32
David Empson <dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > I've just checked my Apple 2's: the ][europlus doesn't have an Apple > > key. The //e does. > > That's why I listed the models which had the key - Apple III, IIe, IIc > and IIgs. By "Apple II" I meant the family. Quite right. Sorry, I forgot what you posted. Mea culpa. Jim -- "Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ |