From: Rowland McDonnell on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Lots of PCs have keyboards have extra keys on them, such as volume
> > > controls and an eject key. I've got a Fujitsu keyboard here somewhere
> > > like that. They presumably come with a driver disk (for Windows) to make
> > > those key do something, but a Mac won't recognise them unless there's
> > > also a Mac driver disk.
> >
> > This was a keyboard designed for Macs. Keyboards designed for Windoze
> > don't have Mac style command keys, do they?
>
> Assuming you mean the Mac's 'Command' (curly pretzel) key, no.

What we used to call the Apple key, until Apple took the Apple symbol
off it.

Rowland.

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From: Jim on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> > > This was a keyboard designed for Macs. Keyboards designed for Windoze
> > > don't have Mac style command keys, do they?
> >
> > Assuming you mean the Mac's 'Command' (curly pretzel) key, no.
>
> What we used to call the Apple key, until Apple took the Apple symbol
> off it.

I still think of it as 'Helicopter', but for the life of me I can't
remember where I picked that up from.

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From: D.M. Procida on
Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:

> >> I hope you're not dissing the cokebottle, extended-meta, and wombat keys?
> >
> > Huh. Now what do they d
> >
> >
> > + + + NO CARRIER + + +
>
> Works every time.

Does anyone remember the AT modem command that could be encoded into
text, which, when your mark tried to download your text, would make his
modem hang up?

Daniele
From: Jim on
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

> Does anyone remember the AT modem command that could be encoded into
> text, which, when your mark tried to download your text, would make his
> modem hang up?

+++ ATH

I think.

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From: David Empson on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > Lots of PCs have keyboards have extra keys on them, such as volume
> > > > controls and an eject key. I've got a Fujitsu keyboard here somewhere
> > > > like that. They presumably come with a driver disk (for Windows) to make
> > > > those key do something, but a Mac won't recognise them unless there's
> > > > also a Mac driver disk.
> > >
> > > This was a keyboard designed for Macs. Keyboards designed for Windoze
> > > don't have Mac style command keys, do they?
> >
> > Assuming you mean the Mac's 'Command' (curly pretzel) key, no.
>
> What we used to call the Apple key, until Apple took the Apple symbol
> off it.

It was called the Apple key back in the days of the Apple II, since the
key just had an Apple symbol on it (Open Apple on an Apple III, IIe and
IIc; the Option key started out as Closed/Solid Apple). The IIgs even
used the Apple symbol in its menu shortcuts.

The Macintosh (1984) started out by using just the "cloverleaf" symbol
on the Command key, and in menus, and called it "Command" from day one.
(I'm not familiar enough with the Lisa.)

When ADB was introduced with the Apple IIgs (1986), its keyboard had the
first instance of the Apple/Command pairing, plus Option. The same
symbols were used when ADB appeared on the Mac in 1987 (Mac SE), since
all ADB keyboards could be used on both the Apple IIgs and the Mac (SE
and later).

Hence the Apple symbol was for the Apple IIgs, and the Command symbol
was for the Macintosh.

After a while the Apple/Command symbol pairing stuck, even beyond the
demise of the Apple IIgs (1992), but Apple persisted in calling the key
"Command" and using the Command symbol to refer to it. Apple finally got
rid of the Apple symbol on the key around 2008.

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