From: Shmuel Metz on
In <4ba873f4$0$22939$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl>, on 03/23/2010
at 08:55 AM, JT <reply_only_to(a)newsgroup.nl> said:

>Seriously: I think a clean install is a good idea because it prevents
>'old' (legacy) ~/.kde* stuff being copied into the new working
>environment.

By clean do you mean an empty /home? Doesn't that make it awkward to carry
over your configuration, including address books and calendars?

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From: JT on
On 24/03/10 20:56, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <4ba873f4$0$22939$e4fe514c(a)news.xs4all.nl>, on 03/23/2010
> at 08:55 AM, JT <reply_only_to(a)newsgroup.nl> said:
>
>
>> Seriously: I think a clean install is a good idea because it prevents
>> 'old' (legacy) ~/.kde* stuff being copied into the new working
>> environment.
>>
> By clean do you mean an empty /home? Doesn't that make it awkward to carry
> over your configuration, including address books and calendars?
>
>
I meant 'clean' as in : all kde-related directories are moved out of the
way (i.e. ~/.kde*).

I repeat my respons to houghi's question: my install is : umount /home -
clean install of the whole of linux - mount /home. And before logging in
as 'user': > mv ~/.kde* ~/pre-upgrade-backup-dir-kde/

Thus giving kde4 (or whatever future version) a clean place to work in.
When missing out on app-related setting stuff: just copy the resp. dirs
back. But that's very app-specific. As for mail, addresses and
calendars: I move those to my own data directories and use symlinks -
where needed - to let apps find them. But they are not in the .kde stuff
because I use firefox, thunderbird, sunbird and lightning instead of
kmail etc.


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From: Paul J Gans on
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap(a)library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>In <ho99s6$s1q$7(a)reader1.panix.com>, on 03/23/2010
> at 02:43 AM, Paul J Gans <gansno(a)panix.com> said:

>>What are you doing? Attacking my position or defending it?

>Yes ;-)

Well, there it is... ;-)

>There are areas where we agree and areas where we disagree. I disagree
>strongly with your character of Unix as even conforming to the principle
>of least astonishment, much less as having originated it.

I no longer recall where I first saw it written, but it might
have been in one of the book Kernighan wrote some years back.

And certainly many basic commands work that way. But perhaps
you know of an earlier instance of this in another operating
system?

>As for KDE3 versus KDE4, I agree only partially. I believe that there
>should have been a migration tool ab initio, but I don't agree that major
>changes in the UI are automatically wrong.

I can't disagree, but will try. I don't think change for the
sake of change is useful. Certainly one should allow the user
to introduce new elements if they are wanted, but the basic
KDE3 notion of a screen (or better, multiple screens) with icons
of your choosing available on it is close to a minimal desktop.

And why should not any desktop offer that? Of course they can
and should offer other things as well.

For me that is the metaphore of my tools being laid out on my
workbench (desktop). They are there when I need them, but I
don't have to need them all the time.

A settings migration took would be useful too.

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--- Paul J. Gans
From: felmon on
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:27:37 +0000, David Bolt wrote:


> It can, but doing so here won't result in any suggested improvements
> made or bugs being fixed.

my apologies to everyone but I didn't see the continuation of the thread;
I didn't mean to ignore the replies.

I think the replies miss the point but the thread is probably dead. I'm
sure the issue will come up again.

Felmon