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From: felmon on 23 Mar 2010 01:05 On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:19:14 +0100, houghi wrote: > felmon wrote: >> I find criticism can be useful, helps us look to improvements. or >> according to taste, it can help one sort out one's preferences. > > That is what bugzilla is for and all the mailinglists at openSUSE. why can't it be discussed here? > Using > the 'I do not like it, boehoe'-mantra is not really helpfull. I guess it's a matter of interpretation. 'boohoo, I think such-and-such a feature would be good' could be helpful. certainly to such as me because it signals what is present, what is absent, what I would have to tweak, etc. etc. >> I'm a kde man but haven't taken the plunge into kde 4.x. at present I'm >> mostly in Debian anyway which lags behind - ok with me, actually. > > Great. Finaly somebody who does what he likes, not does as he is told to > do. ;-) > >> can't a script be devised which auto-mounts usb drives? thought that >> was a task for fstab? do you really have to go to runlevel 5 to get >> this? > > There where (are) some things that did not seem to work with automount > sme time ago. This most likely due to the change of the automount > system. someone made a suggestion downthread regarding udev but I imagine one could also write a simple script to mount the drives, at least I could on my systems since the drive designations are pretty stable and predictable. > >> (I used to do as you, first command-line and then startx but now what >> the hell....) > > There is no real advantage in doing that. there was once for me in the beginning (I forget now why) but over time it was just useless habit. > Unfortunatly due to the NVidea drivers I can't go to CLI with CLT-ALT- F1. :-( boohoo! Felmon
From: David Bolt on 23 Mar 2010 02:27 On Tuesday 23 Mar 2010 05:05, while playing with a tin of spray paint, felmon painted this mural: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:19:14 +0100, houghi wrote: > >> felmon wrote: >>> I find criticism can be useful, helps us look to improvements. or >>> according to taste, it can help one sort out one's preferences. >> >> That is what bugzilla is for and all the mailinglists at openSUSE. > > why can't it be discussed here? It can, but doing so here won't result in any suggested improvements made or bugs being fixed. >> Using >> the 'I do not like it, boehoe'-mantra is not really helpfull. > > I guess it's a matter of interpretation. 'boohoo, I think such-and-such a > feature would be good' could be helpful. certainly to such as me because > it signals what is present, what is absent, what I would have to tweak, > etc. etc. It's a matter of _how_ the comments are made that makes the difference, at least as far as I'm concerned. Someone going "boohoo! OpenSUSE sux because it doesn't do blah!" isn't really helpful. Saying "I'd like to do blah but can't find a way with openSUSE. It is possible to do so and, if it is, how?" is much more likely to get someone helping you out. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M3 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: David Bolt on 23 Mar 2010 02:43 On Monday 22 Mar 2010 03:14, while playing with a tin of spray paint, Shmuel Metz painted this mural: > In <59-dnakyqbiSfzjWnZ2dnUVZ8gWdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, on 03/21/2010 > at 09:08 AM, Darklight <nglennglen(a)netscape.net> said: > >>The only real difference between kde3 and kde4 is plasma. > > There's also a difference in directory structure, and I have no idea > whether everything in .kde should be copied to .kde4 or just selected > subdirectories, or even select files. You could try copying the directories: ~/.kde/share/apps ~/.kde/share/config into ..kde4/share and try the apps. This is best done _before_ you use the various apps as then you won't be overwriting already configured settings. The apps should then pick up settings from the old configs and go with the defaults for the new features. However, as always, it's a good idea to try this with a test user, just in case. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M3 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11
From: Will Honea on 23 Mar 2010 03:00 David Bolt wrote: > On Monday 22 Mar 2010 03:14, while playing with a tin of spray paint, > Shmuel Metz painted this mural: > >> In <59-dnakyqbiSfzjWnZ2dnUVZ8gWdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, on 03/21/2010 >> at 09:08 AM, Darklight <nglennglen(a)netscape.net> said: >> >>>The only real difference between kde3 and kde4 is plasma. >> >> There's also a difference in directory structure, and I have no idea >> whether everything in .kde should be copied to .kde4 or just selected >> subdirectories, or even select files. > > You could try copying the directories: > > ~/.kde/share/apps > ~/.kde/share/config > > into > > .kde4/share > > and try the apps. This is best done _before_ you use the various apps > as then you won't be overwriting already configured settings. The apps > should then pick up settings from the old configs and go with the > defaults for the new features. > > However, as always, it's a good idea to try this with a test user, just > in case. I can't say bout other apps, but it that works quite well for knode and has the advantage of keeping your last read/downloaded pointers as well as saved messages. -- Will Honea
From: JT on 23 Mar 2010 03:55
On 23/03/10 03:43, Paul J Gans wrote: > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap(a)library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote: > >> In <ho47v8$bj5$11(a)reader1.panix.com>, on 03/21/2010 >> at 04:40 AM, Paul J Gans <gansno(a)panix.com> said: >> > >>> You see, in a real distro, the unix principle of minimum astonishment >>> should still apply. >>> > >> I understand "Unix" and I understand 'principle of minimum astonishment", >> but I don't understand the two in conjunction. When the only toll in your >> toolbox is a pipe, everything looks like a filter, and the na?ve user >> expects the same results from, e.g., eqn | tbl | troff as from tbl | eqn | >> troff. That may have been fixed, but it was definitely around for a long >> time. >> > >> This doesn't mean that I like how the KDE3 to KDE4 transition was handled; >> IMHO there should have been an automatic migration of configuration files >> for at least address book, calendar, mail and news. >> > What are you doing? Attacking my position or defending it? > > I don't like the way the transition was hendled either and said > that there should have been a clear migration path. And I said > so upthread. > > If I do an upgrade, I don't count on anyone or anything to cover for _my_ dataloss. Just backup the stuff or be prepared to lose it. Otherwise put: upgrading is a perfect way to clean up your most-likely overly filled harddrive ;-) Seriously: I think a clean install is a good idea because it prevents 'old' (legacy) ~/.kde* stuff being copied into the new working environment. In the case of KDE3->4 (with Gnome inbetween for some weeks because of some glitches in KDE4, which I resolved by now) I just moved all ~/.kde* stuff into a subdirectory and did the install. I never needed the stuff until present. -- Kind regards, JT |