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From: Helmut Hullen on 27 Nov 2009 14:11 Hallo, Sylvain, Du meintest am 27.11.09: >> ... in fact, single-user mode is probably more useful than a >> recovery disk for this. > Well, not if he's forgotten the root password. Slackware's > single-user mode requires the root password. > Point for Slackware ... For those problems I have RIP: http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ on CD or via PXE Viele Gruesse Helmut "Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:28 Responding to Aaron W. Hsu: > Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> writes: > >>The key here is not so much how big the editor is, but how usable it is >>to somebody who just needs an editor that works which doesn't need an >>extended course in incantational keysets just to edit a ****ing text >>file or two. > > If you have enough knowledge to boot into a CD, and actually *recover* > things through a rescue CD, which means you need to know command line > and some other aspects of the Linux system that some people don't have > to know, then you should definitely be able to handle switching to a > different editor, especially when it really isn't that hard to use at > the basic level. > Yes, it is, for some. Like some people can never get the hang of driving, some folks will never "get" Vi. I'm one of them, and I'm not alone. I've installed Vim several times over the years, thinking "Maybe this time it'll make some kind of sense?" but no. Each and every time I end up shaking my head and wondering how anybody could possibly consider it to be anything but an obscure joke. As things are, many very competant people are huge fans of it, so there must therefore be a positive side to it that I and some others don't get. Whichever or whatever, it is certainly not something to be faced with in an emergency, and especially when your internet connection is down and you can't access "How the **** does this thing work?!?!?!" resources. IOW, its not in any way newbie-to-Vi friendly in any way, and it seems to me to be actively designed to keep newbies out. SysAdmin I may not be, but I've been using Linux for many years now, and have NEVER found anything as incantational and insanely obscure as Vi. (Apart from Emacs - Wince!) This surely has to be one of those "If you get it" things. I don't. Anahoo, now I know more about the hows and whys of the Slack install DVD, I'll just make sure and keep a RescueCD disk handy too. No biggie. Cheers. -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 27 Nov 2009 14:30 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:01:28 +0000, Roger Maynard, in a blatantly obvious attempt to misrepresent Lew Pitcher wrote: > ... Remember qedit? Remember the Norton Editor? ... no and no. They just weren't memorable. > Sorry, lugan, but you are confusing ed with ex. No. I typed "ed", not "ex". You weren't there. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:33 Responding to Aaron W. Hsu: > Lew Pitcher <lewpitcher(a)lewpitcher.ca> writes: > >>Mike Jones <Not(a)arizona.bay> trolled: >> >>> My point in a nutshell. I'm not a sysadmin. I'm an enthusiastic >>> dabbler. > >>Exactly. You are a hobbyist, as is everyone who posts to this ng who is >>below the age of 35. Those older than 35 probably learned unix on a >>real system and slackware when there were few linux alternatives. > > Humph. Says you. > > Aaron W. Hsu Did I just get complimented by a troll there? ;) -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 27 Nov 2009 14:33
On 27 Nov 2009 20:11:00 +0100, Helmut Hullen wrote: >> ... Slackware's single-user mode requires the root password. > > For those problems I have RIP: Yeah, and I just use the Slackware installation disk ... It amounts to the same thing. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |