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From: Lew Pitcher on 29 Nov 2009 02:47 Helmut Hullen <helmut(a)hullen.de> trolled: > Hallo, Aaron, > > Du meintest am 28.11.09: > >>> My point isn't that Vi is unusable > >> It's plenty usable for those who learn it. If you can't learn Vi, >> then you either are purposefully not learning, or you can't possible >> have the mental capacity to recover your system in that manner. I >> have never met anyone who couldn't learn Vi. No one. My grandmother >> can learn it, too. > > Maybe she can. Does she? > What's the profit if she learns vi? > > I can milk cows, everybody can learn milking cows. But what's the > profit? But all of your arguments can be equally made about linux as a whole, and most especially about slackware. The bash command line is every bit as silly, and hopelessly out of date, as vi, vim, or even emacs. What is the profit to be gained from the effort of learning bash? > Helmut > > "Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". Well, is slackware, or vi, is too hard for you, learn ubuntu. There is nothing wrong, and everything right, about making that choice if you are new to linux. LewPitcher(a)LewPitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 29 Nov 2009 03:20 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:50:04 -0500, Theodore Heise wrote: >> Things like reformatting lines quoted from a netnews article, >> without first removing the preceding quote (">") characters, >> then adding them back after formatting (highlight the lines in >> question, then "gq"). > > Pico does this too. I think you might have misunderstood my example, or else I don't understand how to accomplish the same in Pico. I just opened a file in pico (UW-Pico-5.04, as installed with Slackware-13.0), and see the following on the bottom of the terminal: [ Read 31 lines ] ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut ^R Read File ^Y Prev Pg ^K Cut Text ^C Cur Pos ^X Exit ^J Justify ^W Where is ^V Next Pg ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell How, given that the above are the only commands apparently available, do I force the editor to reformat, say the following text, so that it looks properly formatted? >> ... reformatting >> lines quoted from a netnews article, >> without first removing the preceding quote >> (">") characters, >> then adding them back after formatting >> (highlight the lines in question, then "gq"). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Lew Pitcher on 29 Nov 2009 06:11 Sylvain Robitaille <syl(a)alcor.concordia.ca> trolled: Sylvain Robitaille is French Canadien. LewPitcher(a)LewPitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html
From: Mike Jones on 29 Nov 2009 07:14 Responding to Aaron W. Hsu: > Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> writes: > >>Yes, it is. If we go back to my example situation where somebody with no >>experience of Vi finds themselves with Vi as their only editor, the >>chances they could either guess or trip over those key-strokes are >>phenomenally low. > > Fallacy 1: It is unreasonable to expect someone managing their computer > to learn something before disaster strikes. > > Fallacy 2: They have Vi as their only editor. > > F#1 happens only when the person in charge of the system is willfully > ignorant. No one can be caught without knowing Vi unless they > purposefully do not wish to learn before disaster hits. If that's the > way they are, then they deserve the trouble they get. > >>Except for anything but Vi, those commands have some kind of accessible >>logic to them, and are similar to just about every other editor on the >>planet (Emacs excepted, as usual). > > Why should I have to learn such strange keys? Why should I have to learn > anything to use my computer and make it do things? It should just do > what I want the way I want it right now! > >>My point isn't that Vi is unusable > > It's plenty usable for those who learn it. If you can't learn Vi, then > you either are purposefully not learning, or you can't possible have the > mental capacity to recover your system in that manner. I have never met > anyone who couldn't learn Vi. No one. My grandmother can learn it, too. > > Aaron W. Hsu This looks very much like a non-productive chop'n'run flame-bait post, so I'll ignore it and assume you simply missed the key points in a discourse that is now all but over and done with. -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 29 Nov 2009 07:16
Responding to Aaron W. Hsu: > helmut(a)hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) writes: > >>That time is long ago. Nowadays only few hardcore users recommend vi. > >>Most linux users I know use "mc" (and "mcedit"). And I know more than 2 >>linux users. Much more. > > I know a University full of Linux users in the computer department. All > of them know how to use Vi, and those that don't aren't using Linux. > Emacs and Eclipse are the most popular editors though. Still, no one > goes without knowing Vi. > > Aaron W. Hsu I know a whole lot of Germans in Germany, and they all speak German. So what? ;) -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs. |