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From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:38 Responding to Sylvain Robitaille: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:29:58 -0600, Aaron W Hsu wrote: > >> ... in fact, single-user mode is probably more useful than a recovery >> disk for this. > > Well, not if he's forgotten the root password. Slackware's single-user > mode requires the root password. > > Point for Slackware ... Absolutely. There is a lot about Slackware that I'm amazed has not been adopted across the range of available distros as Best Working Practice. -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:41 Responding to Sylvain Robitaille: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:07:37 GMT, Mike Jones wrote: > >> You're missing the point by a mile here. > > Actually, I think you're the one who apparently insists on missing > others' points. Your point is that vi(m) is too obtuse to learn how to > use at the moment you need it most. Others have tried to make the point > that you *could* learn how to use it *before* that moment, and spare > yourself any agony. You insist on responding to that by pointing out > it's too obtuse to learn how to use when you need it most. See the > problem? Yup. I've seen this one since it was first mentioned, but there seems to be an assumption that Vi is as learnable for all as it is for it's fans. Its not. As I just pointed out in another post, for some, its too obscure to ever bother with after the required number of headaches trying to work out what the designer was smoking at the time. ;) Thanks for attempting to improve my education though. :) -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:43 Responding to Keith Keller: > On 2009-11-27, Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> wrote: >> >> BTW, As you missed this one several times now, I'd suggest that you >> hold back on making jibes about credibility here. You're drifting into >> a "My fav app" flame-war position. > > This is like the black hole calling the kettle black. > > --keith Huh? Y'mean you're treating my problems with Vi as if I'm having a go at those who actually like it? Not the case. Thats just me reflecting /my/ experience. Don't take any of this personally. Its just about software, ok? -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:45 Responding to Michael Black: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Theodore Heise wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:04:27 +1100, >> Grant <g_r_a_n_t_(a)bugsplatter.id.au> wrote: >> >> >>> On a new system first things copied from the file server (once I get >>> nfs access) are custom .vimrc and .bash* files, the >>> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for root and user, and my kernel build scripts. >>> >>> Then I have vim tamed, and only meet vi in its other roles as 'crontab >>> -e' and visudo -- what do the nano, pica people do here? >> >> I admin my own server, but it's essentially single user and I don't do >> much that's sophisticated. I've been using Pine for probably 15 years, >> so I generally favor pico for most editing. >> >> When faced with the vi interface that follows 'crontab -e', I reach for >> the O'Reilly "Unix in a Nutshell" book, in which I've put a tab at the >> chapter on vi. >> > O'Reilly also has pocket references for both Vi and Emacs. Not > tutorials but quick references, which may be enough since most people > have experience with editors and simply need to know how to do something > on a specific editor. > > Michael Sidenote: An editor that requires a handy handbook? My point made. ;| -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs.
From: Mike Jones on 27 Nov 2009 14:47
Responding to Mikhail Zotov: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:15:16 GMT > Mike Jones <Not(a)Arizona.Bay> wrote: > ... >> To learn how Vi works, you need it's help system, which doesn't tell >> you how the help system works, or how to exit the help system, or even >> how to actually EDIT something. Like I said, its a possibly puzzle >> game, not a "Damn! I need some kind of editor and fast!" solution. > > In this case, just use a live CD built for you task. There are a lot of > them around : R.I.P., SysRescueCD, Finnix, etc. > > Cheers, > Mikhail Already there. Cheers. :) -- *=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/ *=( For all your UK news needs. |