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From: BURT on 2 Apr 2010 22:55 On Apr 2, 7:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 7:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 4:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 7:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > de Broglie said it correctly. > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Einstein was right not to accept probability. Particles are not going > > > > to pop up into existence along the wave. No instead they move fast or > > > > slow in the continuum and are found more often where they move slow > > > > and least where they flow fast. This is quantum mechanics not > > > > randomness. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Probability is fine when determining the likelihood of finding the > > > particle at any particular point. > > > But probability is not the underpinning. Fast and slow even to rest > > momentum gives the same result. One is a theoretical match the and > > other is the true basis. > > > Einstein would never accept probability as the basis for order in the > > universe and neither do I. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Neither does de Broglie. > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > by the double solution theory > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > interpretation" > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > physical reality of waves and particles." > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > The wave nature of the electron > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Quantum waves are for the momentum of energy. Where the aether wave pushes energy slow the particle is found the most. When the aether wave pushes fast the particle passes through that position very fast ie. it is there to be found less. This is a basis for what should not be called a probability phenomenon. Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 2 Apr 2010 23:08 On Apr 2, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 7:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 4:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > de Broglie said it correctly. > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Einstein was right not to accept probability. Particles are not going > > > > > to pop up into existence along the wave. No instead they move fast or > > > > > slow in the continuum and are found more often where they move slow > > > > > and least where they flow fast. This is quantum mechanics not > > > > > randomness. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Probability is fine when determining the likelihood of finding the > > > > particle at any particular point. > > > > But probability is not the underpinning. Fast and slow even to rest > > > momentum gives the same result. One is a theoretical match the and > > > other is the true basis. > > > > Einstein would never accept probability as the basis for order in the > > > universe and neither do I. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Neither does de Broglie. > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > by the double solution theory > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > interpretation" > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > The wave nature of the electron > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Quantum waves are for the momentum of energy. > Where the aether wave pushes energy slow the particle is found the > most. > When the aether wave pushes fast the particle passes through that > position very fast ie. it is there to be found less. This is a basis > for what should not be called a probability phenomenon. > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - When energy passes through the center of the aether wave. It is temporarily at rest. This means we will find it at center more than anywhere else. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 2 Apr 2010 23:27 On Apr 2, 11:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 7:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 4:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it correctly. > > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Einstein was right not to accept probability. Particles are not going > > > > > > to pop up into existence along the wave. No instead they move fast or > > > > > > slow in the continuum and are found more often where they move slow > > > > > > and least where they flow fast. This is quantum mechanics not > > > > > > randomness. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Probability is fine when determining the likelihood of finding the > > > > > particle at any particular point. > > > > > But probability is not the underpinning. Fast and slow even to rest > > > > momentum gives the same result. One is a theoretical match the and > > > > other is the true basis. > > > > > Einstein would never accept probability as the basis for order in the > > > > universe and neither do I. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Neither does de Broglie. > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > by the double solution theory > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > interpretation" > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Quantum waves are for the momentum of energy. > > Where the aether wave pushes energy slow the particle is found the > > most. > > When the aether wave pushes fast the particle passes through that > > position very fast ie. it is there to be found less. This is a basis > > for what should not be called a probability phenomenon. > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > When energy passes through the center of the aether wave. It is > temporarily at rest. This means we will find it at center more than > anywhere else. > > Mitch Raemsch 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE The wave nature of the electron Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929' http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-lecture.pdf "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, that is to say the intensity at M."
From: BURT on 2 Apr 2010 23:37 On Apr 2, 8:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 11:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 7:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 2, 4:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 7:23 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it correctly. > > > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Einstein was right not to accept probability. Particles are not going > > > > > > > to pop up into existence along the wave. No instead they move fast or > > > > > > > slow in the continuum and are found more often where they move slow > > > > > > > and least where they flow fast. This is quantum mechanics not > > > > > > > randomness. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Probability is fine when determining the likelihood of finding the > > > > > > particle at any particular point. > > > > > > But probability is not the underpinning. Fast and slow even to rest > > > > > momentum gives the same result. One is a theoretical match the and > > > > > other is the true basis. > > > > > > Einstein would never accept probability as the basis for order in the > > > > > universe and neither do I. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Neither does de Broglie. > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > > interpretation" > > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Quantum waves are for the momentum of energy. > > > Where the aether wave pushes energy slow the particle is found the > > > most. > > > When the aether wave pushes fast the particle passes through that > > > position very fast ie. it is there to be found less. This is a basis > > > for what should not be called a probability phenomenon. > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > When energy passes through the center of the aether wave. It is > > temporarily at rest. This means we will find it at center more than > > anywhere else. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > The wave nature of the electron > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you expect at that time of DeBroglie? Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 3 Apr 2010 03:39
On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > The wave nature of the electron > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > Mitch Raemsch 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen interpretation" "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles." 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE The wave nature of the electron Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929' http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-lecture.pdf 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.' |