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From: BURT on 3 Apr 2010 16:15 On Apr 3, 12:39 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > by the double solution theory > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > interpretation" > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > physical reality of waves and particles." > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > The wave nature of the electron > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It is an aether wave not a probability wave. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 3 Apr 2010 20:03 On Apr 3, 4:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 12:39 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > > > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > > > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > > > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > by the double solution theory > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > interpretation" > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > The wave nature of the electron > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > It is an aether wave not a probability wave. > > Mitch Raemsch It's a physical wave not a wave-function. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen interpretation" "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles." 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE The wave nature of the electron Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929' http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-lecture.pdf 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'
From: BURT on 3 Apr 2010 20:22 On Apr 3, 5:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 4:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 12:39 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > > > > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > > > > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > > > > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > by the double solution theory > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > interpretation" > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > It is an aether wave not a probability wave. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > It's a physical wave not a wave-function. > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > by the double solution theory > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > interpretation" > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > physical reality of waves and particles." > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > The wave nature of the electron > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Right. I do not use that math lingo of "function" but "probability" is also a mathematical concept. Position is determined by how what we detect is moving at the time. When fast it is found least often and when slow more often and when at rest it will be found the most. Its an aether wave pushing energy vibration in two rates with an exception I cannot mention here. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 3 Apr 2010 20:35 On Apr 3, 8:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 5:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 3, 4:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 3, 12:39 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > > > > > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > > > > > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > > > > > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > > interpretation" > > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > It is an aether wave not a probability wave. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > It's a physical wave not a wave-function. > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > by the double solution theory > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > interpretation" > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > The wave nature of the electron > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Right. I do not use that math lingo of "function" but "probability" is > also a mathematical concept. Position is determined by how what we > detect is moving at the time. When fast it is found least often and > when slow more often and when at rest it will be found the most. > > Its an aether wave pushing energy vibration in two rates with an > exception I cannot mention here. > > Mitch Raemsch When distinguishing Aether Displacement from the Copenhagen interpretation of QM the difference under discussion should be the physical aether wave vs. the wave-function. de Broglie said it correctly, and so did the Editor. 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE The wave nature of the electron Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929' http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-lecture.pdf "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, that is to say the intensity at M." 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.' 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen interpretation" "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."
From: BURT on 3 Apr 2010 20:38
On Apr 3, 5:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 8:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 5:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 3, 4:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 3, 12:39 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > > > > > > > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > > > > > > > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > > > > > > > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > > > > > > > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > > > > > > > that is to say the intensity at M."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Probability can not be the basis. Wave aether causing fast and slow > > > > > > speeds even rest for particles explains what we see without need of > > > > > > probability. Probability is a lower order theory. And what would you > > > > > > expect at that time of DeBroglie? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > > > interpretation" > > > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > It is an aether wave not a probability wave. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > It's a physical wave not a wave-function. > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > by the double solution theory > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf > > > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > > > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > > > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > > > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > > > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > > > interpretation" > > > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > > > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > > > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > > > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > > > physical reality of waves and particles." > > > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > > > The wave nature of the electron > > > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > > > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > > > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > > > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > > > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > > > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.'- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Right. I do not use that math lingo of "function" but "probability" is > > also a mathematical concept. Position is determined by how what we > > detect is moving at the time. When fast it is found least often and > > when slow more often and when at rest it will be found the most. > > > Its an aether wave pushing energy vibration in two rates with an > > exception I cannot mention here. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > When distinguishing Aether Displacement from the Copenhagen > interpretation of QM the difference under discussion should be the > physical aether wave vs. the wave-function. > > de Broglie said it correctly, and so did the Editor. > > 'LOUIS DE BROGLIE > The wave nature of the electron > Nobel Lecture, December 12, 1929'http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates//1929/broglie-le... > > "I must restrict myself to the assertion that when an observation is > carried out enabling the localization of the corpuscle, the observer > is invariably induced to assign to the corpuscle a position in the > interior of the wave and the probability of it being at a particular > point M of the wave is proportional to the square of the amplitude, > that is to say the intensity at M." > > 'To sum up the meaning of wave mechanics it can be stated that: "A > wave must be associated with each corpuscle and only the study of the > waves propagation will yield information to us on the successive > positions of the corpuscle in space". In conventional large-scale > mechanical phenomena the anticipated positions lie along a curve which > is the trajectory in the conventional meaning of the word.' > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > by the double solution theory > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > "EDITOR'S Note...But Louis de Broglie, as he explains in the first > lines of his article, was a realist, and he could not believe > observable physical phenomena to only follow from abstract > mathematical wave-functions. Somehow, these latter had to be connected > to real waves, at variance with the prevailing Copenhagen > interpretation" > > "When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics [1] I was > looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, > of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in > his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the > physical reality of waves and particles."- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I always maintain "aether wave substance" and no other description be it a math function or a math probability. Mitch Raemsch |