Aether Displacement
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From: mpc755 on 5 Apr 2010 15:15 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this, that the state of the former is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, which are amenable to law in the form of differential equations; whereas the state of the Lorentzian ether in the absence of electromagnetic fields is conditioned by nothing outside itself, and is everywhere the same. The ether of the general theory of relativity is transmuted conceptually into the ether of Lorentz if we substitute constants for the functions of space which describe the former, disregarding the causes which condition its state." http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html Einstein disregarded the causes which condition its state. The displacement of aether by matter causes its condition.
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 17:44 On Apr 5, 6:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 2:22 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 12:48 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I only say what I think is important and the truth is broad. > > > > > Light at the two slits collapses the aether wave not an observer.. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but your > > > post has nothing to do with Aether Displacement. > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but unless > > > you have a post which is specific to Aether Displacement, please start > > > your own thread. > > > > The aether wave associated with the C-60 molecule does not collapse > > > because of light. Light propagates as a wave. The moving C-60 molecule > > > has an associated aether displacement wave. The associated aether > > > displacement wave and the light wave interact. > > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > > into chop) and there is no interference. > > > But we are talking about an aether wave. This can collapse. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > A wave collapses when detected. Waves do not cause waves to collapse. > Waves can cancel each other. > > http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Ultrasonics...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Detection is not necessary; only light substance. The light wave form does cause the matter aether wave to collapse at the two slits. This is why there is no longer the wave interference pattern at the screen. They simply pile up behind the two holes when waveless. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 5 Apr 2010 18:23 On Apr 5, 5:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 6:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 5, 2:22 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:48 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > I only say what I think is important and the truth is broad. > > > > > > Light at the two slits collapses the aether wave not an observer. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but your > > > > post has nothing to do with Aether Displacement. > > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but unless > > > > you have a post which is specific to Aether Displacement, please start > > > > your own thread. > > > > > The aether wave associated with the C-60 molecule does not collapse > > > > because of light. Light propagates as a wave. The moving C-60 molecule > > > > has an associated aether displacement wave. The associated aether > > > > displacement wave and the light wave interact. > > > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > > > into chop) and there is no interference. > > > > But we are talking about an aether wave. This can collapse. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > A wave collapses when detected. Waves do not cause waves to collapse. > > Waves can cancel each other. > > >http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Ultrasonics...Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Detection is not necessary; only light substance. > The light wave form does cause the matter aether wave to collapse at > the two slits. This is why there is no longer the wave interference > pattern at the screen. They simply pile up behind the two holes when > waveless. > > Mitch Raemsch Incorrect. Something other than a wave must physically interact with the aether wave in order to cause it to collapse. The aether wave associated with the C-60 molecule does not collapse because of light. Light propagates as a wave. The moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The associated aether displacement wave and the light wave interact. The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
From: BURT on 5 Apr 2010 18:34 On Apr 5, 6:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 5, 2:22 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 9:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 12:48 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I only say what I think is important and the truth is broad. > > > > > Light at the two slits collapses the aether wave not an observer.. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but your > > > post has nothing to do with Aether Displacement. > > > > I know this is pointless because you can not help yourself, but unless > > > you have a post which is specific to Aether Displacement, please start > > > your own thread. > > > > The aether wave associated with the C-60 molecule does not collapse > > > because of light. Light propagates as a wave. The moving C-60 molecule > > > has an associated aether displacement wave. The associated aether > > > displacement wave and the light wave interact. > > > > The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit in a double > > > slit experiment. It is the associated aether displacement wave which > > > enters and exits the available slits. The aether displacement wave > > > creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction > > > the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes > > > decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it > > > into chop) and there is no interference. > > > But we are talking about an aether wave. This can collapse. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > A wave collapses when detected. Waves do not cause waves to collapse. Light does. > Waves can cancel each other. > > http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Ultrasonics...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: spudnik on 5 Apr 2010 20:10
a-ha, I was correct: say "half," with respect to the beamsplitters, please (as I comprehend, they generally split the "photon" into "two photons" of half the energy, I think of a different frequency, not amplitude -- although the "photon" is really more akin to a phonon, such as the audible "click" of the geiger-counter. the *proviso* with these experiments is that the waves are highly modified in the LASER apparatus, so that some folks more easily think of them as "rocks o'light." it could have been worse; lots of more-or-less literate folks use "of" in the place of "have" -- to be or not to be owned, that is this particualr question! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > Experiment #1: > Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters > BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with > BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. > Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, > D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through > BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and > propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the > photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the > corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference > pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the > photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will > form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons > are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, > and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of > detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even > need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the > interference patterns created at D0. > Experiment #2: > Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, > have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have > detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a > photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether > wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other > slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon > 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. > Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating > along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether > wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the > aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create > interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the > direction the photon 'particle' travels. thus: if you let go of the empty notion of "photon," there isn't any difficulty, at all, with a geometrical picture. Death to the lightcone -- long-live the lightcone-heads (because, Minkowski was only one of them, by haphazard default/death). yes, I know, that *photonics* is a whole field of engineering; thank you, herr doktor-professor E., for unburying Newton's bogus corpuscle and attendant "theory," that Young had successfully popped! thus: on the wayside, if you are really going to set so much store in a two-hole procedure for fullerenes, maybe you shouold read the original article, and try to question its purpose. as it is, I'd guess that English is not your mother-tongue, which can sometimes prove difficult in *using* it; so, that's why I always suggest Shakespeare, becuase *no* one can *begin* to comprehend English, til he *tries* to read the bard. (he also had a hand in translating the KJV of the Bible .-) thus: NB, quaternions are not "quadrays" (for an amateur attempt at homogenous co-ordination), but you can "do" special rel. with them (according to Lanczos .-) thus: The "cap & trade" omnibus bill -- what Waxman-Markey should be known as, being so fundamental to the Stupid, economy -- is at least as old as Waxman's '91 bill to ameliorate acid rain. One must really stop and consider, just who really opposes this "last hurrah" for Wall Street (like- wise, the healthcare bill, also under Waxman's House committee, and which, after all, is geared toward funding a smaller aspect of the S-- the economy, already tremendously leveraged by the "voluntary" cap & trade, which the bill would essentially mandate, a la the much-larger, market- making EU scheme). Not so long ago, there was a guest-editorial in the WSJ, which mentioned that an actual carbon tax would achieve the same thing, more or less, as the total "free" market apporach of cap & trade; oh, but, there're certain, so- called Republicans, who refer to the bill as "cap & tax!" Well, before any "reform" of the financial system, why would one put all of one's eggs into such a casino -- especially considering that the oil companies have not bothered to release the carbon-dating "fingerprints" that they use, to determine whether two wells are connected, underground; so, guys & gals, how old is the stuff, on average, anyway? Surely, the green-niks who lobby for "renewable" energy, do not think that oil comes only from dinosaurs, and their associated flora -- all, from before the asteroid supposedly offed them (I refer them to the recent issue of Nature -- several articles that may be related!) Finally, note that, in a sense, the whole world is going a) nuclear, and b) into space, while we are essentially frozen into '50s and '60s techniques in these crucial frontiers. (While some folks dither about Iran's nuke-weapons policy, they are rapidly achieving a full-scale nuke-e and process-heat capbility for industry & infrastructure.) --yr humble servant, the Voting Rights Act o'65 (deadletter since March 27, 2000, when Supreme Court refuzed appeal in LaRouche v. Fowler ('96)) |