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From: RogerN on 5 Apr 2010 21:28 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26231a608ed01f7698978d(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <-uOdnRplutFupyTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> >> >> Read the book, Jesus didn't remove this healing power when he left, the >> believer were able to do the same works. So, in a circle, believers heal >> in >> Jesus name, and you don't believe the miracles, you claim they are just >> natural healings. > > Are you saying that Jesus demonstrated to others that all you need to do > is believe in him (or God) to heal? > He was teaching Christians they don't need doctors??? > > One of the 38000 Christian denominations is the Jehovah's Witnesses who > prohibit the transfusion of blood. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions > They get that belief from the bible. > > Jehovah's Witness mother dies after refusing blood transfusion. > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/nov/05/health.religion > >> >> How can you accuse Jesus of showing off his power when you don't believe >> he >> had any supernatural power? Looks like you keep dodging the answers with >> another question, a moving goal post! >> >> RogerN > > What if the Jesus story is real... > > Raising the dead and healing a few people was ineffective at spreading a > religion. (33% of globe is Christian) Are people dirty because soap is ineffective or because the people aren't applying it? > If Jesus taught a medical procedure that works for all people (no matter > what faith) it would spread and convert people. Look on the internet, there is a Muslim that gets raised from the dead through faith in Jesus. > Practical knowledge is infectious. > For example: Engineers pass good design ideas to engineers who then in > turn pass it on to other engineers.. Good stuff travels. > > 'Hey this willow plant remedy from Jesus cured my migraine headache!' > And then they might convert from say Muslin to Christian without ever > meeting Jesus. > > Even if real, Jesus is not effective at spreading a religion. > > - > D from BC > British Columbia I don't think it was the goal of Jesus to spread religion, if you notice in the New Testament, the religious people are the ones that gave Jesus trouble. Jesus is about relationship with God, like an interface between man and God, he was man and God. Jesus restores the friendship between man and God that Adam lost. I see you have a lot of problem with the way the Bible words things but you have to understand that it was written to be understood by those you call "desert monkeys", you should be able to take what was written for them, add some scientific understanding, and understand what it means or how it might be different if directed only at us. Jesus is the SMPS that connects God, the source power, to us, the low voltage circuitry. Without Jesus, we could not connect without letting our smoke out! RogerN
From: brent on 5 Apr 2010 21:36 On Apr 5, 9:28 pm, "RogerN" <re...(a)midwest.net> wrote: > "D from BC" <myrealaddr...(a)comic.com> wrote in messagenews:MPG.26231a608ed01f7698978d(a)209.197.12.12... > > > > > In article <-uOdnRplutFupyTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...(a)earthlink.com>, > > re...(a)midwest.net says... > > >> Read the book, Jesus didn't remove this healing power when he left, the > >> believer were able to do the same works. So, in a circle, believers heal > >> in > >> Jesus name, and you don't believe the miracles, you claim they are just > >> natural healings. > > > Are you saying that Jesus demonstrated to others that all you need to do > > is believe in him (or God) to heal? > > He was teaching Christians they don't need doctors??? > > > One of the 38000 Christian denominations is the Jehovah's Witnesses who > > prohibit the transfusion of blood. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions > > They get that belief from the bible. > > > Jehovah's Witness mother dies after refusing blood transfusion. > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/nov/05/health.religion > > >> How can you accuse Jesus of showing off his power when you don't believe > >> he > >> had any supernatural power? Looks like you keep dodging the answers with > >> another question, a moving goal post! > > >> RogerN > > > What if the Jesus story is real... > > > Raising the dead and healing a few people was ineffective at spreading a > > religion. (33% of globe is Christian) > > Are people dirty because soap is ineffective or because the people aren't > applying it? > > > If Jesus taught a medical procedure that works for all people (no matter > > what faith) it would spread and convert people. > > Look on the internet, there is a Muslim that gets raised from the dead > through faith in Jesus. > > > Practical knowledge is infectious. > > For example: Engineers pass good design ideas to engineers who then in > > turn pass it on to other engineers.. Good stuff travels. > > > 'Hey this willow plant remedy from Jesus cured my migraine headache!' > > And then they might convert from say Muslin to Christian without ever > > meeting Jesus. > > > Even if real, Jesus is not effective at spreading a religion. > > > - > > D from BC > > British Columbia > > I don't think it was the goal of Jesus to spread religion, if you notice in > the New Testament, the religious people are the ones that gave Jesus > trouble. Jesus is about relationship with God, like an interface between > man and God, he was man and God. Jesus restores the friendship between man > and God that Adam lost. > > I see you have a lot of problem with the way the Bible words things but you > have to understand that it was written to be understood by those you call > "desert monkeys", you should be able to take what was written for them, add > some scientific understanding, and understand what it means or how it might > be different if directed only at us. > > Jesus is the SMPS that connects God, the source power, to us, the low > voltage circuitry. Without Jesus, we could not connect without letting our > smoke out! > > RogerN "...add some scientific understanding..." We understand such infinitesimal strips of science. Any one who thinks they can build a self contained philosophical model(which is what religion makes an honest attempt to do) based upon our present knowledge of science is fooling himself. If any scientist tried to build a self consistent self contained model based upon our knowledge in 2010, any 5 year old could poke a million holes in it. guys like BC think they are brilliant because they see inconsistencies --- big deal. I would love to see him write down his beliefs, they would be Swiss cheese. I'll stick with the tried and true stuff that has worked for over 2000 years.
From: RogerN on 5 Apr 2010 22:06 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2623bbd8abd3471c98978f(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <292dnes_W8rBwSTWnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> > >> >> Almost every claim you make about the Bible is based on one misconception >> or/and another. For one thing, there are various degrees of reward in >> Heaven and various degrees of punishment in Hell. In the most basic >> form, > <snip> > > You believe in 'Hell Lite' for just slightly evil people??? > In Hell Lite, the beer is warm and the women are fat?? > > There's 38000 Chrisitian denominations because there's nothing to > standardize Christianity. > Units of measurement are more standardized than Christianity. > The USB connector is more standardized than Christianity. > > 'In most Christian beliefs, such as the Catholic Church, most Protestant > churches (such as the Baptists, Episcopalians, etc), and Greek Orthodox > churches, Hell is taught as the final destiny of those who have not been > found worthy after they have passed through the great white throne of > judgment [13][14], where they will be punished for sin and permanently > separated from God after the general resurrection and last judgment. ' > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell > > Do all Christians agree with your various degree punishment concept for > hell? Revelation 20: 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Notice "each person was judged according to what he had done." Also, Jesus speaks of those who leads people astray and says that it would be better for them if a millstone were tied around their neck and be thrown in the sea. He didn't say anyone that doesn't believe, or people that never heard the gospel, but specifies those who lead people astray. > btw.. Hell was made by an all loving God. > (Would you beat your kids forever?) > > Even if true, Hell is ridiculous. > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia Hell is the separation from the loving God. To you God is unworthy, what could be worse than eternal life with him? If God tried to take you to Heaven you'd be kicking and screaming! RogerN
From: Beryl on 6 Apr 2010 00:31 brent wrote: > "...add some scientific understanding..." > > We understand such infinitesimal strips of science. Any one who > thinks they can build a self contained philosophical model(which is > what religion makes an honest attempt to do) based upon our present > knowledge of science is fooling himself. If any scientist tried to > build a self consistent self contained model based upon our knowledge > in 2010, any 5 year old could poke a million holes in it. The scientist knows he's never done. That's why he keeps looking. And finding more holes. > guys like BC think they are brilliant because they see inconsistencies --- big > deal. I would love to see him write down his beliefs, they would be > Swiss cheese. I'll stick with the tried and true stuff that has > worked for over 2000 years. And that leaves you inextricably bound to 2000 year old ideas. You aren't making the "honest attempt" you referred to if you shut out everything that threatens to overturn some cherished 2000 year old stuff.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 6 Apr 2010 05:36
RogerN wrote: > > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2623bbd8abd3471c98978f(a)209.197.12.12... > > In article <292dnes_W8rBwSTWnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > > regor(a)midwest.net says... > >> > > > >> > >> Almost every claim you make about the Bible is based on one misconception > >> or/and another. For one thing, there are various degrees of reward in > >> Heaven and various degrees of punishment in Hell. In the most basic > >> form, > > <snip> > > > > You believe in 'Hell Lite' for just slightly evil people??? > > In Hell Lite, the beer is warm and the women are fat?? > > > > There's 38000 Chrisitian denominations because there's nothing to > > standardize Christianity. > > Units of measurement are more standardized than Christianity. > > The USB connector is more standardized than Christianity. > > > > 'In most Christian beliefs, such as the Catholic Church, most Protestant > > churches (such as the Baptists, Episcopalians, etc), and Greek Orthodox > > churches, Hell is taught as the final destiny of those who have not been > > found worthy after they have passed through the great white throne of > > judgment [13][14], where they will be punished for sin and permanently > > separated from God after the general resurrection and last judgment. ' > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell > > > > Do all Christians agree with your various degree punishment concept for > > hell? > > Revelation 20: > 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the > dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had > done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of > fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the > book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. > > Notice "each person was judged according to what he had done." Also, Jesus > speaks of those who leads people astray and says that it would be better for > them if a millstone were tied around their neck and be thrown in the sea. > He didn't say anyone that doesn't believe, or people that never heard the > gospel, but specifies those who lead people astray. > > > btw.. Hell was made by an all loving God. > > (Would you beat your kids forever?) > > > > Even if true, Hell is ridiculous. > > > > -- > > D from BC > > British Columbia > > Hell is the separation from the loving God. To you God is unworthy, what > could be worse than eternal life with him? If God tried to take you to > Heaven you'd be kicking and screaming! D from BC is allergic to good engineering? -- Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!' |