Can Christian Electronic Designers Design?
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From: John Fields on 5 Apr 2010 09:13 On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 20:06:08 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >It's not a sacrifice, Jesus did what today is called 'suicide by cop.' > >'Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual >deliberately acts in a threatening way, with the goal of provoking a >lethal response from a law enforcement officer, such as being shot to >death' >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop --- I can't recall having read anywhere that Jesus acted in a threatening way at all, in that the "cop" involved was Pilate, who declared that Jesus was innocent of any wrongdoing. --- >Jesus would be my hero if he lived a long happy life and taught medical >science (or first aid) and successfully taught leaders to not to kill >other people for their beliefs. >That's a role model! >But nope... >This Jesus character teaches no life saving medical knowledge and has a >death wish. >This is not a good role model.. --- That's a bit like the tail wagging the dog since Jesus wasn't sent here to live up to your expectations or to live his life according to your "plan". --- >If you want to call it a sacrifice, it's only a little sacrifice. >A greater more improved sacrifice is complete death for a duration of >infinity.. --- Which is precisely what's in store for you since that's what you want and what God will give you. --- >Not dead for only 3 days.. --- The length of time he was dead doesn't matter, what does is that when he was killed he remained dead long enough for there to be no doubt that he was dead, and then miraculously returned to life. --- >Even if true, Jesus is ridiculous. --- Read Matthew 7 for a few examples of how ridiculous he really is... JF
From: John Tserkezis on 5 Apr 2010 09:29 Jon Kirwan wrote: > I think I gather your point. You didn't think I worded it as > well as I might have. I don't mind the nit picking and if > you feel it helps to nail that down, it's your privilege. I see it as a base requirement, more from experience rather than anything else. English is terrible for detailing requirements, so one needs to be very verbose to allow for no perceived variations in the meaning. I've been caught out a few times on that, so now absolutely dictate clear language so there is no mistaking on what's required. Mind you, I take advantage on non-verbose language when we have little bets at work, I get them to detail every little requirement of the competition, and winner takes all. I do this, but don't make them go into every little detail knowing that I can take advantage of some of their "loose" specifications. As such, I'm usually only asked to partake once. But by that stage, I've won, so don't really care. :-) > We are talking at cross purposes, though, and your point isn't > of any real interest to me. Might be to others, can't say. If you specified an approximation, or specified multiple vendors, that would acceptable, because if I *were* looking to buy, I'd know to look out for that. > How about simply, "The 1102 costs about double the 1052." > I'll stand on that, for now. Acceptable. :-)
From: John Fields on 5 Apr 2010 09:47 On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:52:04 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >What if the Jesus story is real... > >Raising the dead and healing a few people was ineffective at spreading a >religion. (33% of globe is Christian) --- 2000 years ago, 0% of the globe was Christian. Today it's 1/3 of all the people here. Sounds pretty effective to me. --- >If Jesus taught a medical procedure that works for all people (no matter >what faith) it would spread and convert people. --- As has already been mentioned, Jesus wasn't a doctor. He did, however, teach a procedure that works for all people, (no matter what faith) has spread over the face of the globe, and has converted hundreds of millions. --- >Practical knowledge is infectious. >For example: Engineers pass good design ideas to engineers who then in >turn pass it on to other engineers.. Good stuff travels. --- Jesus' knowledge was eminently practical and his teachings have been handed down from generation to generation and traveled the world. --- >'Hey this willow plant remedy from Jesus cured my migraine headache!' >And then they might convert from say Muslin to Christian without ever >meeting Jesus. --- They convert to Christianity all the time, from all denominations, without meeting Jesus, and often leave their migraines behind them. --- >Even if real, Jesus is not effective at spreading a religion. --- Huh??? Christianity, with some 2 billion adherents, is today the largest religion on Earth, and it was all due to one man's teachings, so I'd say he was pretty effective in getting the ball rolling. JF
From: John Fields on 5 Apr 2010 10:14 On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 13:52:39 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote: >In article <q8dhr55sjr0ksl1q0iap8bg3iegdbuilk4(a)4ax.com>, >jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:41:11 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >I suspect the only way a Christian engineer can keep a religion (belief >> >in God) is to keep it unchallenged. >> >Now the way to keep it unchallenged is to undermine anyone who >> >challenges the religion. >> >One way to eliminate challengers is to use insults, call them stupid and >> >to pick on anything possible. >> >However, this type of response can be seen as a defense to something >> >that has no strength in reason. iows...If you got nothing, throw mud. >> > >> >The other way for a Christian engineer to keep a religion is to never >> >ever apply analytical skills to ones religion. Doing so might cause >> >foaming at the mouth. >> > >> >And this is my theory how intelligent electronic engineers can be >> >Christian. >> >> --- >> Hmm... >> >> In the beginning you state: >> >> "I suspect the only way a Christian engineer can keep a religion (belief >> in God) is to keep it unchallenged." >> >> And then toward the end you state: >> >> "The other way for a Christian engineer to keep a religion is to never >> ever apply analytical skills to ones religion. Doing so might cause >> foaming at the mouth." >> >> Note that there's a logical inconsistency between "the only way" and >> "the other way", which implies there are two ways, instead of just one. >> >> That kind of sloppy thinking, along with unwarranted, amateurish, >> conjecture and what seems to be basic intellectual dishonesty, is what >> lies at the heart of your entire "presentation", that device being >> designed, it seems, to justify your atheistic stance by using the >> reluctance of the non-atheists in the group to mud-wrestle with a pig. >> --- >> >> JF > >Here's a way to test if Christianity is compartmentalized in the mind of >an engineer. >Put that engineering logic and reason to work on this question: >Why are you believing in God? --- Why do you care? JF
From: Jon Kirwan on 5 Apr 2010 12:53
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:29:26 +1000, John Tserkezis <jt(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote: ><snip> > Acceptable. :-) Let's stand pat on that. Thanks. Jon |