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From: Michael A. Terrell on 7 Apr 2010 00:55 "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:13:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > >"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 05:36:33 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >RogerN wrote: > >> >> > >> >> "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:MPG.2623bbd8abd3471c98978f(a)209.197.12.12... > >> >> > In article <292dnes_W8rBwSTWnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > >> >> > regor(a)midwest.net says... > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Almost every claim you make about the Bible is based on one misconception > >> >> >> or/and another. For one thing, there are various degrees of reward in > >> >> >> Heaven and various degrees of punishment in Hell. In the most basic > >> >> >> form, > >> >> > <snip> > >> >> > > >> >> > You believe in 'Hell Lite' for just slightly evil people??? > >> >> > In Hell Lite, the beer is warm and the women are fat?? > >> >> > > >> >> > There's 38000 Chrisitian denominations because there's nothing to > >> >> > standardize Christianity. > >> >> > Units of measurement are more standardized than Christianity. > >> >> > The USB connector is more standardized than Christianity. > >> >> > > >> >> > 'In most Christian beliefs, such as the Catholic Church, most Protestant > >> >> > churches (such as the Baptists, Episcopalians, etc), and Greek Orthodox > >> >> > churches, Hell is taught as the final destiny of those who have not been > >> >> > found worthy after they have passed through the great white throne of > >> >> > judgment [13][14], where they will be punished for sin and permanently > >> >> > separated from God after the general resurrection and last judgment. ' > >> >> > > >> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell > >> >> > > >> >> > Do all Christians agree with your various degree punishment concept for > >> >> > hell? > >> >> > >> >> Revelation 20: > >> >> 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the > >> >> dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had > >> >> done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of > >> >> fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the > >> >> book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. > >> >> > >> >> Notice "each person was judged according to what he had done." Also, Jesus > >> >> speaks of those who leads people astray and says that it would be better for > >> >> them if a millstone were tied around their neck and be thrown in the sea. > >> >> He didn't say anyone that doesn't believe, or people that never heard the > >> >> gospel, but specifies those who lead people astray. > >> >> > >> >> > btw.. Hell was made by an all loving God. > >> >> > (Would you beat your kids forever?) > >> >> > > >> >> > Even if true, Hell is ridiculous. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > D from BC > >> >> > British Columbia > >> >> > >> >> Hell is the separation from the loving God. To you God is unworthy, what > >> >> could be worse than eternal life with him? If God tried to take you to > >> >> Heaven you'd be kicking and screaming! > >> > > >> > > >> > D from BC is allergic to good engineering? > >> > >> You try being good at engineering with fewer neurons than DimBulb. > > > > > > He only has one? > > DimBulb, yes. Then DfBC has none? -- Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
From: D from BC on 7 Apr 2010 03:22 In article <l48mr55npcnt4h0dq88mlfm64rf6muhek8(a)4ax.com>, OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org says... > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:41:07 -0700, D from BC <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> > wrote: > > >The Noah's arc story should make Christians embarrassed. > > You're an idiot. You should be embarrassed about your absolutely > pathetic behavior. > > First, you'll have to go look up the word pathetic, because you are so > pathetic that I am certain that you are too stupid to know its meaning. Say God made all life, when did God make disease and parasites such as syphilis, smallpox, flu,hookworm, scabies and head lice? Did God make diseases before or after Noah's arc? If God made disease before Noah's arc, then the animals and/or people on Noah's arc were infected with diseases such as chlamydia, tuberculosis, athletes foot, measles and malaria and parasites such as guinea worm, roundworm, pinworm, flukes and whip worm. 40 days on a boat loaded with infected/infectious animals and people is a recipe for disaster. Who/what gets to carry ebola which can kill a human in 2 to 21 days.. In any case, God is ridiculously cruel to create (or not abolish) quasi- life (bacteria, virii and prions) and parasites that make pain, suffering and death. Would you have any good reason to infect your kids with malaria? Even if true, Noah and God are ridiculous. Since Noah and God are ridiculous, it makes Christian engineers ridiculous too. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: Beryl on 7 Apr 2010 03:43 RogerN copied/pasted: > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.261ad925b7509204989716(a)209.197.12.12... >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... Time for another mega-troll. >> > > Notice how religious your kind are: > > Scientists irate after top education official questions evolution > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1151223.html > > OK, let's play your game for a while. > > How could wings have evolved? Or an eye? > > Until complete, any of these improvements (and many others) would > have been a tremendous handicap, not an advantage. A land animal > which began to lose a pair of legs and evolve wings would have been > eaten by an animal with four good legs. > > How could DNA have replicated without the enzymes which it controls? > > DNA can only be reproduced with the help of certain enzymes which can > only be produced by DNA which had to be produced by enzymes . . . > > Why would DNA evolve when its purpose is the keep just that from > happening? > > The basic function of DNA is to pass on a very complex and exact code > or plan for development for the next generation. > > Why did some animals not evolve? > > Evolutionists state that some animals (like the duck billed platypus) > have remained unchanged for millions of years. Why were these animals > left out of the almost universal improvements that nature had > "planned"? > > Why can we classify animals? > > Assuming that all animals evolved from a single cell, there should be > no distinction between kinds. This would result in one branch rather > than the tree of animals which zoologists have been able to classify. > > > Why are the missing links still missing? > > From vertebrates to invertebrates, reptiles to birds there should be > billions of animals. The transition from legs to wings alone should > have included a countless number of animals, yet none can be found. > > Why do insects and plants simply start with all their kinds? > > They should have evolved from less complex creatures. > > Why are there no animals in the salt flats? > > The salt flats were probably caused by evaporation of a large salty > lake, yet there are no fossils of the animals that lived there. > > Why couldn't all of those animals in a fossil column be put there at > once - they all live together now? > > Why are there breaks between ages in a fossil column? > > No actual column is in one place. The largest sample is in the Grand > Canyon, which is only 1 mile. The entire column should be about 100 > miles thick. > > Where are all of the people who have died? > > Assuming a population growth of only 1/2% (1/4 the present rate) the > current population can be reached in only 4,000 years. If one assumes > a growth rate slow enough to account for the current population in 1 > million years, there would have been 3,000 billion human bodies. > > What held the first cell's stuff (DNA, RNA, etc) together - a cell > wall? > > Without a cell wall of some kind, the delicately formed cell parts > would have simply drifted apart, never to form life. A cell well > speaks of fundamental building blocks far more complex than simply > the parts alone. > > Why did dinosaurs become extinct? > > How were mammoths frozen alive? > > Mammoths have been found frozen with flowers in their stomachs, > indicating a very rapid climate change. > > Why does almost every mountain range have fossils of sea animals? > > Why are there still monkeys? > > Why can't we make anything but a fruit fly from a fruit fly? > > Why have so many animals stayed the same all over the world? > > How did the first cell, formed from all this tremendous chemical > magic, live in its hostile environment long enough to reproduce? > > How does natural selection produce increasingly complex creatures in > light of genetic depletion? > > For natural selection to occur, some detrimental trait must be lost. > The gene which carried that trait is therefore no longer, and the > resultant offspring has fewer genes than its parent. > > Why do all living creatures reproduce after their kind? > > Evolution relies on the fact that all of the kinds came into being by > not reproducing after their kind. > > Why in the past did mutations seem to be beneficial, while in the > present most mutations are harmful? > > Mutations must obey the second law of thermodynamics. Most ancestors > were larger than their descendants (saber tooth tiger, mammoth, . . > .). > > How long would it take a beneficial mutation to change an entire > population? > > > > How can evolution of universe/life be explained in view of the 1st > and 2nd laws of thermodynamics? > > If evolution is true, why is it wrong to look on some races as > inferior? > > Why do scientists on Nature shows so often feel compelled to use the > word 'designed' when talking about a particular animal's features? > > You cannot watch a 'scientific' show for very long without hearing a > phrase similar to "The Horned Shark has teeth designed for cracking > shells", or "Nature has designed these animals to blend in perfectly > with their surroundings". > > How does one explain Symbiosis? > > This close ecological relationship between the individuals of two (or > more) different species are especially difficult to explain when both > species benefit. > > > > Why are there stone-age cultures in very recent history? > > Why are there fossilized upright trees in coal? > > Where has all of the sediment presently going into the oceans gone? > > Over 27 billion tons of sediments enter the oceans each year. Even > assuming a constant flow of this pace, the current sediments on the > ocean bottom would have accumulated in only 30 million years. > > What caused the Ice Age? > > > > Why aren't the continents eroded? > > At the current rate, the continents should have eroded much more than > they have.. > > How did fossils form? > > Any sea creature dying and falling to the bottom of a body of water > would either decay or be eaten before being slowly covered with silt. > Many land animals have been found fossilized. They could not have all > been buried under water. > > Where did so much sedimentary rock come from? > > A vast majority of the rock that we find was laid down by water. > > Why are stalactites used to prove old age in caves when they have > already formed under the Lincoln Memorial? > > In just 45 years, these stalactites were almost 5 feet in length. The > rate of stalactite formation therefore depends on more than time. > > How was coal formed? > > There is nowhere in the world that coal (or oil) is being formed > today. > > How does one explain bent strata? > > The strata had to be bent while it was soft. > > Why does one commonly find ancient rocks on top of new rocks? > > How do you explain canyons? > > It seems natural that the canyon should run the entire length of the > river, but there are many places where a river, flowing downhill the > entire way, has cut a canyon thousands of feet thick in some places > but left some portions of the riverbed level with surrounding land. > > > > > Why does Venus rotate backward, while Uranus rotates at a 98 degree > angle to its vertical plane? > > The evolutionist needs to come up with special cases to handle these > two solar system misfits. > > Why do 11 (almost 1/3) of the moons of various planets rotate > backward? > > According to current views of the solar system origin, all should > rotate in the same direction and in the same plane. These backward > moons are difficult (though not impossible) to explain. > > Why do many of those moons have inclined orbits? > > The orbits of the satellites should be coplanar with the revolution > of the host. > > Why aren't most of the planets composed of hydrogen and helium like > the sun? > > Earth is composed mainly of heavy elements, while the sun has only 1% > of its composition that is not hydrogen or helium. Interstellar gas > is not composed of heavy elements, but is mainly hydrogen and helium > also. > > What stopped solar system gasses from falling into the sun? > > The sun makes up 99 and 6/7% of the solar system's mass. The 1/7 of > 1% of the remaining solar system's mass should have followed the rest > into the sun. > > Why didn't that gas simply dissipate? > > For gravitational attractions to be significant, the particles would > have to have been as large as small moons. > > Where did the moon come from? > > A July 28th,1997 article in USA Today indicated that perhaps a planet > about three times the mass of Mars could have crashed into the early > Earth and popped enough material into orbit to form the moon. They do > point out that this would have significantly increased the spin of > the Earth in a way that cannot be observed today, but something must > have made the Earth slow back down - perhaps another large object > hitting the Earth from the opposite direction. There has still never > been an adequate theory proposed to explain the moon's origin. > > How could the earth have had liquid water millions of years ago when > the sun was weaker? > > (See July 1999 Astronomy Magazine for a discussion of this paradox). > > Earth's spin is slowing at the rate of almost 1 sec/year. How fast > was it spinning 1 billion years ago? > > Why are there any small (less than 100,000th of a cm.) particles left > in the solar system? > > Solar wind, acting for billions of years, should have pushed out all > of these particles by now. > > Where is all of the meteoritic dust on the earth? > > Assuming only present accumulation (which should have been much > greater during early years of the universe) there should be a 182 > foot thick layer after 5 billion years. This dust is extremely high > in nickel content. There is no great significant amount of nickel in > either sea or land. > > How big was the sun 1 billion years ago? > > The sun looses 4 million tons of mass through fusion per second, and > is shrinking by about 1% each century (5 feet per hour). This > shrinking is responsible for a large amount of the energy that the > sun gives off. > > Where do short period comets come from? > > A short period comet would completely "boil off" after about 15,000 > years. There is no known way for a comet to come into existence. They > have been thought to have been around since the start of the > universe. The Oort cloud was devised to try to explain this but, once > again, it is a case of trying to make the observed facts fit the > preconceived notions. > > > > > > > 1. Where did the space for the universe come from? > > > 2. Where did matter come from? > > > 3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, > etc.)? > > > 4. How did matter get so perfectly organized? > > > 5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing? > > > 6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter? > > > 7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself? > > > 8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction > reproduce? > > > 9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind > since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the > chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or > the species? How do you explain this?) > > > 10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any > new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never > produce Chinese books.) > > > 11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different > animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor? > > > 12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information > available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you > explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have > occurred if evolution were true? > > > 13. When, where, why, and how did a. Single-celled plants become > multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?) b. > Single-celled animals evolve? c. Fish change to amphibians? d. > Amphibians change to reptiles? e. Reptiles change to birds? (The > lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, > body covering, etc., are all very different!) f. How did the > intermediate forms live? > > > 14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a. Whales evolve? b. > Sea horses evolve? c. Bats evolve? d. Eyes evolve? e. Ears evolve? f. > Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve? > > > 15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the > others)? a. The digestive system, the food to be digested, the > appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, > or the body's resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, > intestines, etc.)? b. The drive to reproduce or the ability to > reproduce? c. The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the > throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the > lungs? d. DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e. The > termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the > cellulose? f. The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate > the plants? g. The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or > muscles to move the bones? h. The nervous system, repair system, or > hormone system? i. The immune system or the need for it? > > > 16. There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an > evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution > is the only explanation for these relationships? > > > 17. How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals > develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design? > > > > 18. When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, > guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution. > > > 19. How did photosynthesis evolve? > > > 20. How did thought evolve? > > > 21. How did flowering plants evolve, and from what? > > > 22. What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the > other eight or ten kinds? > > > 23. What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a > living coelacanth in my aquarium? > > > 24. Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved > true? > > > 25. What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen gas becoming > human? > > > 26. Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing? You don't know the answers to _ANY_ of those questions? I know a few, don't know a lot more, and know that many of the questions are simply silly.
From: Martin Brown on 7 Apr 2010 04:14 RogerN wrote: > "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.261ad925b7509204989716(a)209.197.12.12... >> mmm sseems a little quiet in SED so... >> Time for another mega-troll. > > Notice how religious your kind are: > > Scientists irate after top education official questions evolution > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1151223.html > > OK, let's play your game for a while. > > How could wings have evolved? Or an eye? An eye is fairly simple. First you get a weak photosensitive site on an otherwise unremarkable multicellular creature. This does give it an advantage in a world where everything else is totally blind! Initially the advantage is being able to move into the light to better access photosynthesis or detect shadows from passing food. The next stage is a rim around the photosite which gives weak collimation - pit vipers still have this style of eye for far IR mammalian prey detection. The lens and iris is a big jump but do not under estimate how well pinhole cameras can work. The human eye is a terrible piece of design engineering if God actually fashioned it. Having a blind spot so close the central field of vision is not sensible. One could say something similar about the plumbing arrangements with a useless appendix. As for a wings there are enough intermediate stages that can glide from tree to tree still around and intermediate feathered dinosaurs in the fossil record to be fairly sure that it was not a disadvantage to survive falling out of a tree. Small mammals like mice already have enough air resistance that falling does not kill them. > Until complete, any of these improvements (and many others) would have been > a tremendous handicap, not an advantage. A land animal which began to lose a > pair of legs and evolve wings would have been eaten by an animal with four > good legs. Not if it spends most of its life in trees or on cliffs. Wings evolved multiple times in birds, in mammals like bats and flying foxes, in insects and even to a limited extent in fish. The latter have a problem that they cannot breathe air so they are limited to gliding out of harms way. Gene sequencing will eventually tell us how many times this solution evolved independently. The same happens with shapes of plants in stressful environments. The engineering solution for living in desert conditions arose both in Euphorbiaceae and in Cactaceae. Same environmental constraints, on different continents with completely different genetics but the solution is very similar. A self shading spherical ribbed body to hold water with a thick waxy coat. One difference is cacti still have true spines for mechanical defence whereas the Euphorbias went mainly for chemical weapons. > How could DNA have replicated without the enzymes which it controls? RNA systems can be autocatalytic. It is only a matter of time now before a self organising mixture of RNA is produced in the lab. > > DNA can only be reproduced with the help of certain enzymes which can only > be produced by DNA which had to be produced by enzymes . . . Not true. RNA can act as an enzyme. Single strand RNA still mediates protein synthesis based on the information stored in double strand DNA. > Why would DNA evolve when its purpose is the keep just that from happening? DNA has no purpose beyond making more copies of itself. Mistakes happen, natural radioactivity and UV radiation damage it from time to time. Some of the oldest DNA and the most stable belongs to the Archaea that mostly live in extreme environments with high temperatures and difficult chemistry near volcanic vents. They are likely to be the survivors of the origins of life on our planet - though now confined to rare locations. http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/archaea/archaea.html > > The basic function of DNA is to pass on a very complex and exact code or > plan for development for the next generation. > > Why did some animals not evolve? If they are not under any pressure to do so then they are already at a local optimum. Crocodiles and alligators are sufficiently good that nothing preys on them. > Evolutionists state that some animals (like the duck billed platypus) have > remained unchanged for millions of years. Why were these animals left out of > the almost universal improvements that nature had "planned"? They were good enough in the environment where they lived. Nature doesn't plan anything. Animals and plants gradually evolve if they come under external pressures from predation or the environment. > Why can we classify animals? By DNA sequencing. Doing it by comparing morphological appearance as was done in the old days leads to a fair number of misclassifications based on superficial cosmetic similarities. > > Assuming that all animals evolved from a single cell, there should be no > distinction between kinds. This would result in one branch rather than the > tree of animals which zoologists have been able to classify. > > Why are the missing links still missing? We haven't found them all yet. Well preserved fossils are quite rare. most animal carcasses get eaten by something else scavenging for food. When you have this insane fundamentalist lunacy being paraded in the 21st century it is time to question the US education system. You are still stuck in the dark ages of superstition and wilful ignorance. [snip additional garbage] Don't you get tired of answering every single question about the universe with the banal refrain "Because God made it so" ? Regards, Martin Brown
From: D from BC on 7 Apr 2010 06:11
http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/faculty/pavel/Billy%20-% 0Creationist.jpg People are using dumb mutated thinking ape meat to try to understand the dum molecules that make dumb mutated thinking ape meat. The dumb mutated thinking ape meat is making slow progress and it's made slower when some of the dumb mutated thinking ape meat believes there's a dumb mutated thinking ape meat manufacturer in the sky. Answers to your evolution questions can be found on http://www.talkorigins.org Christian engineers have the analysis power to create a massive amount of doubt for the existence of God. 'Christian electronic designer' should be a oxymoron. -- D from BC British Columbia |