DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
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From: ZerkonXXXX on 13 Dec 2009 09:05 On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote: > even though the bedside observer would see the person expire in a > fraction of a second, All your details rest upon this. The idea of linear time as it relates to a linear (film strip) existence. Why not? However, for your human as apparatus position to be solid you must equally account for birth. The film just can not be rewound until it falls off the real reel, or [pun alert!] can it? A Test: Since you rely so heavily on what seem to be computer metaphors, how would you or could you explain this to some one living in, say, the mid 1800's?
From: George Hammond on 13 Dec 2009 14:32 On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:05:04 +0000, ZerkonXXXX <Z(a)erkonx.net> wrote: >On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote: > >> even though the bedside observer would see the person expire in a >> fraction of a second, > >All your details rest upon this. The idea of linear time as it relates to >a linear (film strip) existence. Why not? > >However, for your human as apparatus position to be solid you must >equally account for birth. The film just can not be rewound until it >falls off the real reel, or [pun alert!] can it? > > [Hammond] Okay, yours is a meaningful post which contains intelligent on-topic material. I appreciate that. In order to see this full thread you have to read it on sci.physics. relativity. There you will discover that this thread is under a NIMBY attack from alt.atheism. So your on-topic post is especially appreciated. Birth is irrelevant to life after death. This is because memory and experience before the age of a few months old cannot be recalled by the average person. Secondly, we are not talking about a "linear filmstrip" when we talk about life after death. what exactly life after death looks like, we don't know. we can reasonably presume the following characteristics: 1. The dream contains elements of a "life review" but it is not a linear format. Similar to a dream, it may jump around, flashback to the past, and shift abruptly from scene to scene. 2. We assume that life after death, while intuitively a form of "virtual reality" is neither identical to ordinary reality, nor identical to an ordinary nocturnal dream. It is we may suppose, a THIRD REALITY somewhere between the two. 3. Above all else, we must remember that the core purpose of life after death is to see and experience a " Beatific Vision" of reality; What the physicistsrefer to as an un-curved version of reality. 4. The magnificence, glory, and subframe splendor of such an experience is practically beyond human imagination, although it is well within the reach of a mathematical physics description. > > >A Test: > >Since you rely so heavily on what seem to be computer metaphors, how >would you or could you explain this to some one living in, say, the mid >1800's? > > [Hammond] The1800s are nothing! 2,000 years ago St. Paul in First-Corinthians chapter 15 verses 35-55 described Life after Death as being a " spiritual body appearing at the instant of death, in the twinkling of an eye; going directly to heaven." "Spiritual body" was the term used in the 1800s, but today We can replace that term with a scientific term " Virtual-body" or " cyberspace- body". The new term means exactly the same thing as the old term except That the new term incorporates a scientific comprehension of what actually scientifically happens. This is based on the fact that in recent decades it has been discovered that the cytoskeleton of the neurons in the brain consist of a gigantic digital computer running at microwave/optical speeds and containing 15 orders of magnitude of heretofore unknown switching speed and memory power. It is now believed that the cytoskeleton-microtubule system is the " Engram" of memory that neuropsychology has been searching for unsuccessfully for seven decades. Likewise, it is now intuitively obvious to even a casual observer that this system is identically the "unconscious mind" of Psychology and the "Soul" of Theology. Any further coherent and logical analysis that you may wish to provide, or even basic inquiry, will be highly appreciated by intelligent bystanders reading this discussion. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Mark on 13 Dec 2009 19:04 On Dec 9, 8:13 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short > millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at > Froehlichs frequency could easily contain a year of human > experience, and thus even though the bedside observer would > see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly > departed would subjectively live on for a year in > cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond > demise. Hello. I haven't seen you or anyone else address the fact that a replay of one's life in the framework of what seems like real time to that indivdual, is only just a replay, without actual new interactions, new actual people and places. So really life after death should be NEW life, and for eternity, which being outside of one's own experience would have to occur in real time, as we measure it on the wall clock, and with the input of other actual people who are also enjoying life after death. And finally, even if one's memory were perceived in 10^50 times faster than measured time, it still will run out eventually, whereas eternity last to infinity --- Mark --- Mark
From: Errol on 14 Dec 2009 07:31 On Dec 14, 7:11 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > I ve been thinking some more about the death stream > download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. > Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a > running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every > second of every day. It would constantly be edited and > distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and > edit a Hollywood movie. This in fact, might even be the > primary function of nocturnal dreaming. > So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is > residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to > download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should > death occur. The question then arises as to why this dream > would automatically download when you die. My answer to > that is that it must be completely natural, that is a > default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, > the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to > do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you > die, this pent-up font of "flat space" reality, by the same > token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire > cytoskeleton of the brain. And this is what produces "life > after death" so-called. > The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular > Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore > the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is > "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved > version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved > version" of reality as it were. However, our brain is able > to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, > i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some > analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space > extrapolation" of what we actually see. Of course the > microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the > neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big > enough to display it. But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" > somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of > subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and > edited into what we are now calling "an afterlife dream > world". > Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. Now we have > to address, how and why it downloads at death. Presumably, > death occurs from the top down. That is, the neuronal > system shuts down or "flat lines" first. And then begins > the slower process of the disintegration of the > cytoskeleton-microtubule system. My first intuition would > be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what > triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps > for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally > a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system > flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" > and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any > heretofore undisplayed information into the entire > cytoskeleton whereas previously it was negative feedback > from the neuronal system that was truncating that > information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up > in the microtubule memory. That s one of certainly many > possibilities. > And I must add here, that this death dream signal may > not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could > just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body > since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected > by microwave gap junctions . This means that your entire > body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, > motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing > this dream firsthand. It would in other words, be > completely real! This is why the microtubule computer in > the brain is sufficient to do the job of Tipler s > "astronomical sized"computer". His computer was designed to > synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the > advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of > the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule > computer! This reduces the size of the necessary computer > by a "double exponential" sized factor! And this literally > brings the problem down to earth. > Why bother with the download anyway? Hameroff and Penrose suggested that the individual might leave traces in the Planck scale geometry anyway. I.O.W.S the individual might be permanently imprinted onto the universe. Go for the gold, not some fuzzy, edited version of reality.
From: Autymn D. C. on 14 Dec 2009 08:56
On Dec 11, 12:00 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > Fact is, no one in the entire history of the world from > the time of the Pyramids down to the present day has any > credible scientific or even psychological double digit > assurance that there either IS or IS NOT such a thing as a > literal life after death. IS or IS NOT -> is so or not What is literal life? and figural life? Which one is a ghost/fetch/ wraith/doppelganger? [snip spurius God site] |