DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
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From: Zinnic on 16 Dec 2009 17:04 On Dec 15, 8:31 pm, "bigflet...(a)gmail.com" <bigflet...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 11, 10:49 pm,Zinnic<zeenr...(a)gate.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 6:30 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > > > > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > > > In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short > > > millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at > > > Froehlich s frequency could easily contain a year of human > > > experience, and thus even though the bedside observer would > > > see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly > > > departed would subjectively live on for a year in > > > cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond > > > demise. > > > I ve been thinking some more about the death stream > > > download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. > > > Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a > > > running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every > > > second of every day. It would constantly be edited and > > > distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and > > > edit a Hollywood movie. This in fact, might even be the > > > primary function of nocturnal dreaming. > > > So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is > > > residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to > > > download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should > > > death occur. The question then arises as to why this dream > > > would automatically download when you die. My answer to > > > that is that it must be completely natural, that is a > > > default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, > > > the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to > > > do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you > > > die, this pent-up font of "flat space" reality, by the same > > > token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire > > > cytoskeleton of the brain. And this is what produces "life > > > after death" so-called. > > > The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular > > > Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore > > > the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is > > > "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved > > > version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved > > > version" of reality as it were. However, our brain is able > > > to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, > > > i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some > > > analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space > > > extrapolation" of what we actually see. Of course the > > > microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the > > > neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big > > > enough to display it. But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" > > > somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of > > > subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and > > > edited into what we are now calling "an afterlife dream > > > world". > > > Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. Now we have > > > to address, how and why it downloads at death. Presumably, > > > death occurs from the top down. That is, the neuronal > > > system shuts down or "flat lines" first. And then begins > > > the slower process of the disintegration of the > > > cytoskeleton-microtubule system. My first intuition would > > > be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what > > > triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps > > > for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally > > > a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system > > > flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" > > > and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any > > > heretofore undisplayed information into the entire > > > cytoskeleton whereas previously it was negative feedback > > > from the neuronal system that was truncating that > > > information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up > > > in the microtubule memory. That s one of certainly many > > > possibilities. > > > And I must add here, that this death dream signal may > > > not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could > > > just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body > > > since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected > > > by microwave gap junctions . This means that your entire > > > body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, > > > motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing > > > this dream firsthand. It would in other words, be > > > completely real! This is why the microtubule computer in > > > the brain is sufficient to do the job of Tipler s > > > "astronomical sized"computer". His computer was designed to > > > synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the > > > advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of > > > the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule > > > computer! This reduces the size of the necessary computer > > > by a "double exponential" sized factor! And this literally > > > brings the problem down to earth. > > > > Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be > > > killfiled. > > > ======================================== > > > GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE > > > Primary sitehttp://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond > > > Mirror site > > > http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com > > > HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto > > > http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 > > > ======================================= > > > Your small step in the physicalist world from neuronal networks to > > cytoskeletons does not begin to address the leap of faith required to > > cross over from the mundane to the imagined miracle of 'life' after > > death. > > After "flat" neuronal function transfers to spend a parsec as the > > "curved reality" of cytoskeletal function, what then? > > When the physical cytoskeleton disintegrates and rots, is the 'soul' > > distilled from the ferment and condensed by some miraculous procecess > > into pure disembodied spirit ? > > Seems to me you still have some explaining to do! > >Zinnic- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Im pleased you have finally found someone who you can have meaningful > conversatations with. > You mean like your conversation with George in your post at 8.47?
From: Zinnic on 16 Dec 2009 17:06 On Dec 15, 8:47 pm, "bigflet...(a)gmail.com" <bigflet...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 6:07 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:49 -0800 (PST), darwinist > > > At any rate, let me outline what were up against. The > > discovery of the world's first scientific proof of God is a > > fait accompli. It is signed sealed and delivered and has > > been published in the peer-reviewed literature.- Hide quoted text - > Brian, I guess George will find nothing to disagree with here!
From: Geopelia on 20 Dec 2009 07:02 "George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message news:o1g0i5h1ckfsh51q71a6s77r07v13o1fmj(a)4ax.com... > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short > millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at > Froehlich's frequency could easily contain a year of human > experience, and thus even though the bedside observer would > see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly > departed would subjectively live on for a year in > cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond > demise. > I've been thinking some more about the death stream > download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. > Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a > running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every > second of every day. It would constantly be edited and > distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and > edit a Hollywood movie. This in fact, might even be the > primary function of nocturnal dreaming. > So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is > residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to > download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should > death occur. The question then arises as to why this dream > would automatically download when you die. My answer to > that is that it must be completely natural, that is a > default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, > the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to > do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you > die, this pent-up font of "flat space" reality, by the same > token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire > cytoskeleton of the brain. And this is what produces "life > after death" so-called. > The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular > Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore > the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is > "flat subjective space"... it can only perceive a "curved > version" (truncation) of subjective space-time. a "curved > version" of reality as it were. However, our brain is able > to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, > i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some > analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space > extrapolation" of what we actually see. Of course the > microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the > neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big > enough to display it. But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" > somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of > subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and > edited into what we are now calling "an afterlife dream > world". > Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. Now we have > to address, how and why it downloads at death. Presumably, > death occurs from the top down. That is, the neuronal > system shuts down or "flat lines" first. And then begins > the slower process of the disintegration of the > cytoskeleton-microtubule system. My first intuition would > be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what > triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps > for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally > a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system > flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" > and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any > heretofore undisplayed information into the entire > cytoskeleton whereas previously it was negative feedback > from the neuronal system that was truncating that > information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up > in the microtubule memory. That's one of certainly many > possibilities. > And I must add here, that this death dream signal may > not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could > just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body > since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected > by microwave 'gap junctions'. This means that your entire > body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, > motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing > this dream firsthand. It would in other words, be > completely real! This is why the microtubule computer in > the brain is sufficient to do the job of Tipler's > "astronomical sized"computer". His computer was designed to > synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the > advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of > the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule > computer! This reduces the size of the necessary computer > by a "double exponential" sized factor! And this literally > brings the problem down to earth. > > Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be > killfiled. How long after death does all this happen? My husband has died and been revived several times. (No heartbeat etc for several minutes). He experienced nothing at all, he just wasn't there. Would it happen after all brain activity ceases, and when there is no possibility of revival?
From: THE BORG on 20 Dec 2009 22:05 "Zinnic" <zeenric2(a)gate.net> wrote in message news:8c80dd5e-2d54-4c07-91c2-ed218a624f7d(a)3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com... On Dec 15, 8:47 pm, "bigflet...(a)gmail.com" <bigflet...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 15, 6:07 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:49 -0800 (PST), darwinist > > > At any rate, let me outline what were up against. The > > discovery of the world's first scientific proof of God > > is a > > fait accompli. It is signed sealed and delivered and has > > been published in the peer-reviewed literature.- Hide > > quoted text - > Brian, I guess George will find nothing to disagree with here! What people don't realize is that there would not only be scientific proof of God, but there would be mathematical proof, artistic proof, natural proof, synchronous proof, and proof would occur in every which way. The fact that Earth exists is proof. What more do you require? Only idiots think Earth came out of nothing and nowhere with no cause nor reason nor intelligent design. Once you know this, THEN is the question. "How do you perceive this intelligence". One, many, he, she, it, they? Maybe nothing to do with any religions on Earth, but maybe a concept beyond understanding. That maybe Earth does not exist at all but is merely an illusion placed into the minds that they touch and perceive what is not essentially there, and that all can change. And all does change. It is evident and obvious that matter alters and is not fixed. "That seems much smaller than it was before." (not it is not smaller it has changed). "Funny, I never noticed that before." (because it was not there before.) "That book was completely different on second read." (the book has altered, not your memory). Evidence and proof that matter is illusory are everywhere. THE BORG
From: George Hammond on 20 Dec 2009 22:36
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:02:42 +1300, "Geopelia" <phildoran(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote: > >"George Hammond" <Nowhere1(a)notspam.com> wrote in message >news:o1g0i5h1ckfsh51q71a6s77r07v13o1fmj(a)4ax.com... >> LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH >> >> Copyright December 2009, George Hammond >> >> In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short >> millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at >> Froehlich's frequency could easily contain a year of human >> experience, and thus even though the bedside observer would >> see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly >> departed would subjectively live on for a year in >> cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond >> demise. >> I've been thinking some more about the death stream >> download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. >> Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a >> running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every >> second of every day. It would constantly be edited and >> distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and >> edit a Hollywood movie. This in fact, might even be the >> primary function of nocturnal dreaming. >> So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is >> residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to >> download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should >> death occur. The question then arises as to why this dream >> would automatically download when you die. My answer to >> that is that it must be completely natural, that is a >> default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, >> the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to >> do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you >> die, this pent-up font of "flat space" reality, by the same >> token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire >> cytoskeleton of the brain. And this is what produces "life >> after death" so-called. >> The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular >> Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore >> the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is >> "flat subjective space"... it can only perceive a "curved >> version" (truncation) of subjective space-time. a "curved >> version" of reality as it were. However, our brain is able >> to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, >> i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some >> analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space >> extrapolation" of what we actually see. Of course the >> microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the >> neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big >> enough to display it. But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" >> somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of >> subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and >> edited into what we are now calling "an afterlife dream >> world". >> Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. Now we have >> to address, how and why it downloads at death. Presumably, >> death occurs from the top down. That is, the neuronal >> system shuts down or "flat lines" first. And then begins >> the slower process of the disintegration of the >> cytoskeleton-microtubule system. My first intuition would >> be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what >> triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps >> for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally >> a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system >> flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" >> and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any >> heretofore undisplayed information into the entire >> cytoskeleton whereas previously it was negative feedback >> from the neuronal system that was truncating that >> information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up >> in the microtubule memory. That's one of certainly many >> possibilities. >> And I must add here, that this death dream signal may >> not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could >> just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body >> since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected >> by microwave 'gap junctions'. This means that your entire >> body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, >> motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing >> this dream firsthand. It would in other words, be >> completely real! This is why the microtubule computer in >> the brain is sufficient to do the job of Tipler's >> "astronomical sized"computer". His computer was designed to >> synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the >> advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of >> the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule >> computer! This reduces the size of the necessary computer >> by a "double exponential" sized factor! And this literally >> brings the problem down to earth. >> >> >> > > >[Geopelia] >How long after death does all this happen? > > [Hammond] Within a fraction of a second. And it only lasts for another fraction of a second after that. Point is, in that fraction of a second the dearly departed experiences a year or more in Heaven due to a time dilation. > > >[Geopelia] >My husband has died and been revived several times. (No heartbeat etc for >several minutes). >He experienced nothing at all, he just wasn't there. > > [Hammond] He doesn't REMEMBER anything happening... but according to this theory if you die and are revived, you actually go to Heaven and come back to Earth again! This could occur a number of times and you would remember NONE of it! Not only that, if you die a second time and get to Heaven again, you will have absolutely no memory of ever being there before! > >[Geopelia] >Would it happen after all brain activity ceases, and when there is no >possibility of revival? > > [Hammond] It happens when the brain "flat lines" meaning all EEG activity ceases. The cytoskeleton remains functioning for up to 30 minutes after brain death according to the authorities. According to the theory it happens in a few thousandths of a second.... which by the way would confirm St. Pauls famous revalation given in I Corinthians Ch 15 vs 52 that "..at the last trump, in the twinkling of an eye, the dead shall be raised". Meanwhile, it makes no difference if you are revived... you simply come back to Earth with no memory of going to Heaven even though you have been there and back again. NOTA BENE: Bear in mind this is only a plausible scientific hypothesis, not a proven fact!!!! ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ======================================= |