DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
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From: Mark on 14 Dec 2009 17:32 On Dec 14, 1:37 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: (snippy) Your hypothesis is riddled with flaws. I completely understand your theory but it limits eternal life to the past experiences of one, and that isn't new life. A replay of one's past with a new and perfectly enlightened perspective isn't new life. New life must contain external stimulus from actual different unpredictable meetings and experiences in new locations. You have mixed a LOT of truth in your hypothesis, and most of it is beyond the grasp of the average person. But still, in order for you to be right, God would have to be a liar. In your model, people in the blast radius of a nuclear bomb would have no Heaven or Hell. What you've done is tried to make man the source of his own heaven and hell. This all sounds like a Roman Catholic construct with a physics/Hindu twist. Ironically, muslim suicide bombers who blow themselves up would reach neither my understanding of heaven nor yours. --- Mark
From: Otto Bahn on 14 Dec 2009 19:10 "Tiger Would" <theoreticalfolly(a)aol.com> wrote > > You are incorrect about this. The causality is genetic and > > the seperate reality is merely an interpretation of and > > further creation of a sensory experience which > > links the practical to the hypothetical to the nonsensical. > > Identical twins are not 100% concordant for schizophrenia; that is, if > one has it, the other may not. So it is not correct to say "the > causality is genetic". < <Identical twins are not identical. Close enough to swap wives now and then? --oTTo--
From: Mark on 14 Dec 2009 19:42 On Dec 14, 7:10 pm, "Otto Bahn" <e...(a)eio.com> wrote: > "Tiger Would" <theoreticalfo...(a)aol.com> wrote > > > > You are incorrect about this. The causality is genetic and > > > the seperate reality is merely an interpretation of and > > > further creation of a sensory experience which > > > links the practical to the hypothetical to the nonsensical. > > > Identical twins are not 100% concordant for schizophrenia; that is, if > > one has it, the other may not. So it is not correct to say "the > > causality is genetic". > > < > <Identical twins are not identical. > > Close enough to swap wives now and then? > > --oTTo-- Swap them for what? --- Mark
From: George Hammond on 14 Dec 2009 19:43 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:32:44 -0800 (PST), Mark <blueriverday(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Dec 14, 1:37�pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > >(snippy) > >Your hypothesis is riddled with flaws. > > [Hammond] WRONG.... there isn't a single flaw in it. > > > I completely understand your theory > > [Hammond] WRONG.... you're level of misunderstanding is LUDICROUS! > > >your theory but it limits eternal life to the past experiences of >one, and that isn't new life. A replay of one's past with a new and >perfectly enlightened perspective isn't new life. > > [Hammond] WRONG..... the raw stored sensory input of a lifetime is easily capable of synthesizing an infinite range of totally new life-experience. The point is yours is an ODOMETER argument, and not a SPEEDOMETER argument. "odometer" arguments are completely irrelevant and a priori ruled out of court as being incompetent. > > > New life must contain external stimulus from actual different >unpredictable meetings and experiences in new locations. > > [Hammond] WRONG.... that's like saying the laws of mathematics or physics LIMIT the range of mathematical physics discovery. That statement is ignorant and absurd! > > >You have mixed a LOT of truth in your hypothesis, and most of >it is beyond the grasp of the average person. But still, in order for >you to be right, God would have to be a liar. > > [Hammond] WRONG...... you are still laboring under the misconception of the "odometer" theory of life after death, because apparently you are incapable of understanding the "speedometer" theory of life after death. Look, the average growth deficit in the human population is somewhere around 20%. Let us use simple arithmetic to demonstrate a few facts concerning that. It means that we can compute the theoretical human lifespan by dividing the actual human lifespan by 0.8: Theoretical lifespan lifespan= 75/.8 = 93.75 years A lifetime of sensory input stored in memory is EASILY able to extrapolate today's reality another 18.75 years. Besides which, "factual of events" are of ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE to life after death. The simple proof of that is a fact that a newborn baby who accidentally dies and has virtually no conscious memory at all, is STILL resurrected to a condition of eternal life. I'm sure you've heard the expression: "It doesn't matter what you say it only matters how you say it" Well that is a LITERALLY EXACT DESCRIPTION of life after death! Facts, circumstances, objects, people, situations and so forth are absolutely SECONDARY to the fact of moving into a world with a ZERO-DILATED TIME RATE. The problem is that you are intellectually INCAPABLE of understanding that. This is not a new phenomenon, you can tune into sci.physics.relativity and listen to amateurs argue until they are blue in the face all day long simply BECAUSE they are INCAPABLE of understanding Relativity. Your problem is that you are still under the misconception of the odometer theory of life after death and think that eternal life means living for hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, or trillions of years. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS..... there isn't a normal person in the world who would believe that a person was designed to live for a billion years........ don't be STUPID! > > In your model, people in the blast radius of a nuclear bomb >would have no Heaven or Hell. > > [Hammond] WRONG, a simple numerical calculation shows that the theory is FAILSAFE. This because a person cannot be killed in less than one nanosecond which is how long it takes light to cross the human skull. An atomic bomb CANNOT kill you faster than one nanosecond because of the Einstein limit on the speed of light. In this theory ONE NANOSECOND translates into an HOUR in Heaven . And it is immediately obvious to any competent scientific mind that "an hour of eternal life is just that--- eternal life"; for the same reason that any fraction of infinity, is still infinity! Now just because you are too uneducated and too much of a Relativity Newbie to understand that, does not by any means negate the truth of that statement. > >what you've done is try to make >man the source of his own heaven and hell. > > [Hammond] Get off it, that's like saying the laws of physics limit the phenomena that can exist. The statement is stupid. obviously the laws of physics allow an ABSOLUTELY INFINITE number of phenomena, structures and circumstances to exist. Your statement is intellectually incompetent. > > >This all sounds >like a Roman Catholic construct with a physics/Hindu twist. > > [Hammond] I happen to be a New England Congregationalist by birth. However scientifically speaking, I find the canonical explanation of religion as put forth in the Catholic Catechism (e.g. Aquinas et al.) to be the most scientifically advanced version of religion that civilization possesses. > > >Ironically, muslim suicide bombers who blow themselves >up would reach neither my understanding of heaven nor >yours. > [Hammond] Horseshit... suicide bombers go straight to hell just like all other criminal mass murderers. > > >--- >Mark > [Hammond] Well I'm sorry that you can't afford to play this game because of your other obligations and concerns. However, just because you can't afford to ante up in this game DOES NOT MEAN that I'll tolerate hit-and-run harassment. I CAN afford to play this game, I'm using 150 words per minute voice-recognition dictation, and can blow your pathetic Stone Age keyboard efforts right off the Internet using it. However, you are invited to continue your ill motivated and futile efforts, by all means. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Autymn D. C. on 14 Dec 2009 20:55
On Dec 14, 4:59 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:32:44 -0800 (PST), Mark > <blueriver...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Dec 14, 1:37 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > > >(snippy) > > >Your hypothesis is riddled with flaws. > > [Hammond] > WRONG.... there isn't a single flaw in it. Yes, no flaw is alone; there are too many. > > I completely understand your theory > > [Hammond] > WRONG.... you're level of misunderstanding is LUDICROUS! He is? > >your theory but it limits eternal life to the past experiences of > >one, and that isn't new life. A replay of one's past with a new and > >perfectly enlightened perspective isn't new life. > > [Hammond] > WRONG..... the raw stored sensory input of a lifetime is > easily capable of synthesizing an infinite range of totally > new life-experience. > The point is yours is an ODOMETER argument, and not a > SPEEDOMETER argument. "odometer" arguments are completely > irrelevant and a priori ruled out of court as being > incompetent. Both of your arguments are incompetent. And nothing's infinite. > > New life must contain external stimulus from actual different > >unpredictable meetings and experiences in new locations. > > [Hammond] > WRONG.... that's like saying the laws of mathematics or > physics LIMIT the range of mathematical physics discovery. > That statement is ignorant and absurd! Laws do.. but so do wrays. > >You have mixed a LOT of truth in your hypothesis, and most of > >it is beyond the grasp of the average person. But still, in order for > >you to be right, God would have to be a liar. > > [Hammond] > WRONG...... you are still laboring under the misconception > of the "odometer" theory of life after death, because > apparently you are incapable of understanding the > "speedometer" theory of life after death. > Look, the average growth deficit in the human population > is somewhere around 20%. Let us use simple arithmetic to > demonstrate a few facts concerning that. It means that we > can compute the theoretical human lifespan by dividing the > actual human lifespan by 0.8: > > Theoretical lifespan lifespan= 75/.8 = 93.75 years There's no correlation between tallness and longness of life, but there is one for caloric restriction (therefore squatness or smallness helps), which is of course correlated with slowness of metabolism, and goes against your conjecture. And man can liv longer than 120 years. > A lifetime of sensory input stored in memory is EASILY able > to extrapolate today's reality another 18.75 years. Besides > which, "factual of events" are of ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE > to life after death. The simple proof of that is a fact > that a newborn baby who accidentally dies and has virtually > no conscious memory at all, is STILL resurrected to a > condition of eternal life. > I'm sure you've heard the expression: > > "It doesn't matter what you say > it only matters how you say it" This is meaningleas babble. > Well that is a LITERALLY EXACT DESCRIPTION of life after > death! Facts, circumstances, objects, people, situations > and so forth are absolutely SECONDARY to the fact of moving > into a world with a ZERO-DILATED TIME RATE. If you mean we leave the univers, it would still take forever, no matter the dimension. There is no Nirvàná wherefore nouht can't be reifact. > The problem is that you are intellectually INCAPABLE of > understanding that. This is not a new phenomenon, you can > tune into sci.physics.relativity and listen to amateurs > argue until they are blue in the face all day long simply > BECAUSE they are INCAPABLE of understanding Relativity. > > Your problem is that you are still under the misconception > of the odometer theory of life after death and think that > eternal life means living for hundreds, thousands, millions, > billions, or trillions of years. > DON'T BE RIDICULOUS..... there isn't a normal person in > the world who would believe that a person was designed to > live for a billion years........ don't be STUPID! It has nothing to do with speed either. > > In your model, people in the blast radius of a nuclear bomb > >would have no Heaven or Hell. > > [Hammond] > WRONG, a simple numerical calculation shows that the theory > is FAILSAFE. This because a person cannot be killed in less > than one nanosecond which is how long it takes light to > cross the human skull. An atomic bomb CANNOT kill you > faster than one nanosecond because of the Einstein limit on > the speed of light. > In this theory ONE NANOSECOND translates into an HOUR in > Heaven . And it is immediately obvious to any competent Show your work. > scientific mind that "an hour of eternal life is just > that--- eternal life"; for the same reason that any fraction > of infinity, is still infinity! Now just because you are > too uneducated and too much of a Relativity Newbie to > understand that, does not by any means negate the truth of > that statement. What happens then? > >This all sounds > >like a Roman Catholic construct with a physics/Hindu twist. > > [Hammond] > I happen to be a New England Congregationalist by birth. > However scientifically speaking, I find the canonical > explanation of religion as put forth in the Catholic > Catechism (e.g. Aquinas et al.) to be the most > scientifically advanced version of religion that > civilization possesses. You mean of professional lyging. Bother to look up refutations of cathekism, apologhètics, and all other theologhic Buybullshit. Abrahamij religions are nothing more than plagiarism of elder pagan Godheads. Look at the days of the week, Tower of Babel, and Trinity/ heavenly host of anghels. > >Ironically, muslim suicide bombers who blow themselves > >up would reach neither my understanding of heaven nor > >yours. > > [Hammond] > Horseshit... suicide bombers go straight to hell just like > all other criminal mass murderers. Everyone goes to hell. -Aut http://twitter.com/alysdexia/favorites |