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From: George Hammond on 10 Dec 2009 01:24 On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:07:21 -0800 (PST), darwinist <darwinist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Dec 10, 11:30�am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: >> LOG � 12-9-09 � THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH >> >> Copyright December 2009, George Hammond >> >> � �In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short >> millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at >> Froehlich s frequency could easily contain a year of human >> experience, and thus �even though the bedside observer would >> see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly >> departed would subjectively live on for a year in >> cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond >> demise. >> � �I ve been thinking some more about the death stream >> download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. >> Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a >> running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every >> second of every day. �It would constantly be edited and >> distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and >> edit a Hollywood movie. �This in fact, might even be the >> primary function of �nocturnal dreaming. >> � �So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is >> residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to >> download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should >> death occur. �The question then arises as to why this dream >> would automatically download when you die. �My answer to >> that is that it must be completely natural, that is a >> default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, >> the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to >> do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you >> die, this pent-up font of �"flat space" reality, by the same >> token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire >> cytoskeleton of the brain. �And this is what produces "life >> after death" so-called. >> � �The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular >> Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore >> the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is >> "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved >> version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved >> version" of reality as it were. �However, our brain is able >> to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, >> i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some >> analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space >> extrapolation" of what we actually see. �Of course the >> microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the >> neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big >> enough to display it. �But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" >> somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of >> subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and >> edited into what we are now calling �"an afterlife dream >> world". >> � �Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. �Now we have >> to address, how and why it downloads at death. �Presumably, >> death occurs from the top down. �That is, the neuronal >> system shuts down or "flat lines" first. �And then begins >> the slower process of the disintegration of the >> cytoskeleton-microtubule system. �My first intuition would >> be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what >> triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps >> for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally >> a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system >> flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" >> and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any >> heretofore undisplayed information into the entire >> cytoskeleton �whereas previously it was negative feedback >> from the neuronal system that was truncating that >> information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up >> in the microtubule memory. �That s one of certainly many >> possibilities. >> � �And I must add here, �that this death dream signal may >> not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could >> just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body >> since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected >> by microwave gap junctions . �This means that your entire >> body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, >> motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing >> this dream firsthand. �It would in other words, be >> completely real! �This is why the microtubule computer in >> the brain is sufficient to do the job of �Tipler s >> "astronomical sized"computer". �His computer was designed to >> synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the >> advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of >> the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule >> computer! �This reduces the size of the necessary computer >> by a "double exponential" sized factor! �And this literally >> brings the problem down to earth. >> >> Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be >> killfiled. >> ======================================== >> GEORGE �HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE >> � � � � � � � � � � � Primary sitehttp://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond >> � � � � � � � � � � � Mirror site >> � � �http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com >> � � �HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto >> � � �http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 >> ======================================= > >This is an interesting theory. > [Hammond] You got that one right. > > >I wonder how one would go about testing >it empirically. > It's a little early to begin worrying about that... we haven't even found out yet is the theory is conceptually complete or whether some glaring loophole exists in it. For instance so far I have cleared the following obvious problems: 1. What happens if you get hit by an A-bomb and your brain is vaporized in a nanosecond. Such people are going to spend less time in Heaven than those who can afford several milliseconds to die... is that a flaw in the theory? The answer is no because the finite speed of light holds the minimum time in Heaven to at least an hour. And the "duration" of "eternal life" is irrelevant once it is above a certain recognition minimum, say 5 minutes. I think the actual theoretical minimum is about an hour. 2. What about people who die in a hospital and are revived? Answer: They actually go to Heaven and come back to Earth again when they are revived and have absolutely no memory of it, so when they get there again it is a totally new experience. This could happen several times! There may be MORE of these logical conundrums...and if we ever find one that has no answer-- it's all over for the theory! ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 9 Dec 2009 21:38 George Hammond wrote: > > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > In a previous USENET post (above) Above? You are making an unsubstantiated assumption about my newsreader's sort order. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul(a)Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Telemark: If it was easy, they'd call it snowboarding.
From: George Hammond on 10 Dec 2009 02:53 On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST), darwinist <darwinist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Dec 10, 9:20�am, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.net> wrote: >> In article >> <e0bd139f-1d04-41fa-8cc5-6e13834b7...(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, >> >> �darwinist <darwin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Dec 10, 11:30 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: >> > > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH >> >> > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond >> >> > This is an interesting theory. I wonder how one would go about testing >> > it empirically. >> >> First one has to know whether Frohlich Condensates even exist. They have >> not yet been observed. Next, we would have to know whether they can >> possibly exist in our relatively cool body. >> >> Next, we have to know whether a quantum state can last a millisecond >> _anywhere_, and especially a microtubule. That's a long damned time. >> >> We must also reconcile this 'secular trend growth deficit' against >> research that shows that it is _increasing_ rapidly in Western cultures, >> although it has varied over the history of humankind. >> >> Then perhaps Mr. Hammond will explain (hopefully with an illustration) >> what he means by 'curved/truncated subjective time/space'. >> >> That's just get _started_. So far, he has presented no science. > >You just had to go there didn't you? A perfectly optimistic theory >about life after death and you use the "s" word. > >In any case it seems the theory stated is actually about life *before* >death, but why split hairs? I'm sure we can make it about life after >death with only a little acrobatics: > >Perhaps this dream - once it begins - can leave the cytoskeleton and >still exist, like an image that leaves a projector and maintains its >structure as it bounces off the wall into your eye. This quantum >entity drifts through space, thereby finding an "infinite life" in >"heaven" as a "disembodied soul". Presumably this quantum-paradise- >ghost would learn to change direction at will, and interact with other >ghosts as well as with matter. Thus they have become gods. > >See? That wasn't so hard. We even get deification thrown in for free. >Where's your precious science and logic now? > > [Hammond] Ahhhh, it appears that you have just run up against your own "intelligence barrier". Of course your observation is correct, "life after death" actually IS "life before death" which only APPEARS to occur after death. The point is that we're talking about two different observers, the bedside observer and the dearly departed observer. To the bedside observer it appears to be a highly compressed dream which takes place BEFORE death. But to the dearly departed it appears that the death dream lasts for a year after he actually died. This is utterly familiar to anyone who has studied relativity of any kind whatsoever. Obviously you haven't. What you don't realize, is that upon neuronal death (EEG flat line), the only part of brain meditation or consciousness that still exists is in the still functioning cytoskeleton. This cytoskeleton subserves the entire neuronal system of the brain, and according to Penrose and Hameroff and many many others it contains the preconscious or subconscious mind of man. The death dream takes place in the cytoskeleton of the human brain and therefore takes place 10 billion times as fast as neuronal firing frequency, yet, the dying observer (in this case the persons cytoskeleton) is ALSO operating at that speed, so according to the cytoskeleton-observer, the entire dream takes place at ordinary clock on the wall terrestrial speed. Now, if you can't understand that, then there's little point in arguing with you. That would be like trying to argue the Twins Paradox with a scientific amateur. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Don Stockbauer on 10 Dec 2009 00:29 On Dec 10, 1:53 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST), darwinist > > > > <darwin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Dec 10, 9:20 am, John Stafford <n...(a)droffats.net> wrote: > >> In article > >> <e0bd139f-1d04-41fa-8cc5-6e13834b7...(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, > > >> darwinist <darwin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Dec 10, 11:30 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > >> > > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > >> > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > >> > This is an interesting theory. I wonder how one would go about testing > >> > it empirically. > > >> First one has to know whether Frohlich Condensates even exist. They have > >> not yet been observed. Next, we would have to know whether they can > >> possibly exist in our relatively cool body. > > >> Next, we have to know whether a quantum state can last a millisecond > >> _anywhere_, and especially a microtubule. That's a long damned time. > > >> We must also reconcile this 'secular trend growth deficit' against > >> research that shows that it is _increasing_ rapidly in Western cultures, > >> although it has varied over the history of humankind. > > >> Then perhaps Mr. Hammond will explain (hopefully with an illustration) > >> what he means by 'curved/truncated subjective time/space'. > > >> That's just get _started_. So far, he has presented no science. > > >You just had to go there didn't you? A perfectly optimistic theory > >about life after death and you use the "s" word. > > >In any case it seems the theory stated is actually about life *before* > >death, but why split hairs? I'm sure we can make it about life after > >death with only a little acrobatics: > > >Perhaps this dream - once it begins - can leave the cytoskeleton and > >still exist, like an image that leaves a projector and maintains its > >structure as it bounces off the wall into your eye. This quantum > >entity drifts through space, thereby finding an "infinite life" in > >"heaven" as a "disembodied soul". Presumably this quantum-paradise- > >ghost would learn to change direction at will, and interact with other > >ghosts as well as with matter. Thus they have become gods. > > >See? That wasn't so hard. We even get deification thrown in for free. > >Where's your precious science and logic now? > > [Hammond] > Ahhhh, it appears that you have just run up against your > own "intelligence barrier". Of course your observation is > correct, "life after death" actually IS "life before death" > which only APPEARS to occur after death. The point is that > we're talking about two different observers, the bedside > observer and the dearly departed observer. > To the bedside observer it appears to be a highly > compressed dream which takes place BEFORE death. But to the > dearly departed it appears that the death dream lasts for a > year after he actually died. This is utterly familiar to > anyone who has studied relativity of any kind whatsoever. > Obviously you haven't. > What you don't realize, is that upon neuronal death (EEG > flat line), the only part of brain meditation or > consciousness that still exists is in the still functioning > cytoskeleton. This cytoskeleton subserves the entire > neuronal system of the brain, and according to Penrose and > Hameroff and many many others it contains the preconscious > or subconscious mind of man. The death dream takes place in > the cytoskeleton of the human brain and therefore takes > place 10 billion times as fast as neuronal firing frequency, > yet, the dying observer (in this case the persons > cytoskeleton) is ALSO operating at that speed, so according > to the cytoskeleton-observer, the entire dream takes place > at ordinary clock on the wall terrestrial speed. > Now, if you can't understand that, then there's little > point in arguing with you. That would be like trying to > argue the Twins Paradox with a scientific amateur. > ======================================== > GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE God and the Universe are identical concepts (pantheism).
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