DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH
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From: " SNIP HECKLER>" on 10 Dec 2009 15:58 X-No-Archive: Yes On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:15:10 -0000
From: The_Sage on 10 Dec 2009 23:07 >Reply to article by: darwinist <darwinist(a)gmail.com> >Date written: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) >MsgID:<3666888c-bc57-409b-a79f-683314c45664(a)u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> >> That's just get _started_. So far, he has presented no science. >You just had to go there didn't you? A perfectly optimistic theory >about life after death and you use the "s" word. By definition, it isn't a "theory". It is speculation based on no observable facts whatsoever. He is just making all this up as he goes along. Just because a story sounds good, won't make it true, but George doesn't understand this simple truism. He is lost in his own ego. The Sage ============================================================= http://members.cox.net/the.sage/index.htm [The current anthropomorphic global warming nonsense is based on] "inherently untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately forecast the weather a week from now" -- Dr. Richard Lindzen =============================================================
From: George Hammond on 11 Dec 2009 03:00 On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:07:46 -0700, The_Sage <The_Sage(a)everywhere.com> wrote: >>Reply to article by: darwinist <darwinist(a)gmail.com> >>Date written: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) >>MsgID:<3666888c-bc57-409b-a79f-683314c45664(a)u1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> > >>> That's just get _started_. So far, he has presented no science. > >>You just had to go there didn't you? A perfectly optimistic theory >>about life after death and you use the "s" word. > >By definition, it isn't a "theory". It is speculation based on no observable >facts whatsoever. He is just making all this up as he goes along. Just because a >story sounds good, won't make it true, but George doesn't understand this simple >truism. He is lost in his own ego. > >The Sage > [Hammond] Look, you half to baked pseudo-intellectual potato head. You're talking to a figment of your imagination, you're not talking to me. Objective fact shows that I have 2� in physics from accredited universities, that I have published this theory in 2 peer-reviewed academic journals and presented it as an invited speaker at international academic symposiums. These published papers date from 1994... only a screwball would assert that I'm "making it up as I go along". Fact is, no one in the entire history of the world from the time of the Pyramids down to the present day has any credible scientific or even psychological double digit assurance that there either IS or IS NOT such a thing as a literal life after death. There is only one way to find out and that is this: 1. Discover a realistic and plausible mechanism that would cause such a thing. 2. Investigate the mechanism experimentally. Okay, I have accomplished step one, and that is what we are here to talk about. So either start talking shop or take a hike. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 10 Dec 2009 23:34 George Hammond wrote: > [snip] > Look, you half to baked pseudo-intellectual potato head. > You're talking to a figment of your imagination, you're not > talking to me. Objective fact shows that I have 2� in > physics from accredited universities, that I have published > this theory in 2 peer-reviewed academic journals IIRC, one was a journal on psychiatry. > and presented it as an invited speaker at international academic > symposiums. Not everyone on stage at such a symposium are scientists. Some are the subjects. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul(a)Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Leap and the net will appear.
From: Zinnic on 11 Dec 2009 09:49
On Dec 9, 6:30 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: > LOG 12-9-09 THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH > > Copyright December 2009, George Hammond > > In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short > millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at > Froehlich s frequency could easily contain a year of human > experience, and thus even though the bedside observer would > see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly > departed would subjectively live on for a year in > cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond > demise. > I ve been thinking some more about the death stream > download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. > Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a > running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every > second of every day. It would constantly be edited and > distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and > edit a Hollywood movie. This in fact, might even be the > primary function of nocturnal dreaming. > So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is > residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to > download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should > death occur. The question then arises as to why this dream > would automatically download when you die. My answer to > that is that it must be completely natural, that is a > default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, > the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to > do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you > die, this pent-up font of "flat space" reality, by the same > token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire > cytoskeleton of the brain. And this is what produces "life > after death" so-called. > The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular > Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore > the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is > "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved > version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved > version" of reality as it were. However, our brain is able > to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, > i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some > analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space > extrapolation" of what we actually see. Of course the > microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the > neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big > enough to display it. But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" > somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of > subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and > edited into what we are now calling "an afterlife dream > world". > Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. Now we have > to address, how and why it downloads at death. Presumably, > death occurs from the top down. That is, the neuronal > system shuts down or "flat lines" first. And then begins > the slower process of the disintegration of the > cytoskeleton-microtubule system. My first intuition would > be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what > triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps > for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally > a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system > flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" > and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any > heretofore undisplayed information into the entire > cytoskeleton whereas previously it was negative feedback > from the neuronal system that was truncating that > information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up > in the microtubule memory. That s one of certainly many > possibilities. > And I must add here, that this death dream signal may > not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could > just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body > since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected > by microwave gap junctions . This means that your entire > body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, > motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing > this dream firsthand. It would in other words, be > completely real! This is why the microtubule computer in > the brain is sufficient to do the job of Tipler s > "astronomical sized"computer". His computer was designed to > synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the > advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of > the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule > computer! This reduces the size of the necessary computer > by a "double exponential" sized factor! And this literally > brings the problem down to earth. > > Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be > killfiled. > ======================================== > GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE > Primary sitehttp://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond > Mirror site > http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com > HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto > http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 > ======================================= Your small step in the physicalist world from neuronal networks to cytoskeletons does not begin to address the leap of faith required to cross over from the mundane to the imagined miracle of 'life' after death. After "flat" neuronal function transfers to spend a parsec as the "curved reality" of cytoskeletal function, what then? When the physical cytoskeleton disintegrates and rots, is the 'soul' distilled from the ferment and condensed by some miraculous procecess into pure disembodied spirit ? Seems to me you still have some explaining to do! Zinnic |