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From: Mark on 11 Dec 2009 11:42 On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote: > Serious intellectual commentary is invited, Would you burp my sperm? -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
From: George Hammond on 12 Dec 2009 02:26 On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:49:51 -0800 (PST), Zinnic <zeenric2(a)gate.net> wrote: >On Dec 9, 6:30�pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote: >> LOG � 12-9-09 � THE DETAILS OF LIFE AFTER DEATH >> >> Copyright December 2009, George Hammond >> >> � �In a previous USENET post (above) I detailed how a short >> millisecond signal in the microtubule system of the brain at >> Froehlich s frequency could easily contain a year of human >> experience, and thus �even though the bedside observer would >> see the person expire in a fraction of a second, the dearly >> departed would subjectively live on for a year in >> cyber-paradise despite his Frohlich-speed millisecond >> demise. >> � �I ve been thinking some more about the death stream >> download after talking to Stuart Hameroff by e-mail. >> Supposedly the death dream would be pre-recorded in a >> running-edit mode during your entire life, every hour, every >> second of every day. �It would constantly be edited and >> distilled, sort of the same process that they use to cut and >> edit a Hollywood movie. �This in fact, might even be the >> primary function of �nocturnal dreaming. >> � �So this edited life after death scenario, or dream, is >> residing in the microtubule system of the brain ready to >> download in a few milliseconds at a moments notice should >> death occur. �The question then arises as to why this dream >> would automatically download when you die. �My answer to >> that is that it must be completely natural, that is a >> default mechanism of the death process itself. Supposedly, >> the death dream is created by a natural mechanism having to >> do with the growth deficit of the brain, and then when you >> die, this pent-up font of �"flat space" reality, by the same >> token, just automatically bursts forth and floods the entire >> cytoskeleton of the brain. �And this is what produces "life >> after death" so-called. >> � �The underlying idea here is that the well-known Secular >> Trend growth deficit causes a neuron shortage and therefore >> the brain cannot actually perceive "true reality", that is >> "flat subjective space" .. it can only perceive a "curved >> version" (truncation) of subjective space-time a "curved >> version" of reality as it were. �However, our brain is able >> to detect that what we are seeing is not completely real, >> i.e. is curved rather than flat, so what it does, in some >> analog fashion or other, is compute the "flat space >> extrapolation" of what we actually see. �Of course the >> microtubule system cannot present this extrapolation to the >> neuronal system because the neuronal system is not big >> enough to display it. �But it remains "pent-up" or "latent" >> somewhere in the cytoskeleton, and through some process of >> subconscious mentation, dreaming etc., it gets composed and >> edited into what we are now calling �"an afterlife dream >> world". >> � �Okay, that is how and why it gets composed. �Now we have >> to address, how and why it downloads at death. �Presumably, >> death occurs from the top down. �That is, the neuronal >> system shuts down or "flat lines" first. �And then begins >> the slower process of the disintegration of the >> cytoskeleton-microtubule system. �My first intuition would >> be that the flat lining of the neuronal system is what >> triggers the afterlife download in the cytoskeleton. Perhaps >> for instance, the neuronal-cytoskeletal system is originally >> a "closed loop" feedback system and when the neuronal system >> flatlines at death the cytoskeleton system goes "open-loop" >> and this simply causes the cytoskeleton system to "dump" any >> heretofore undisplayed information into the entire >> cytoskeleton �whereas previously it was negative feedback >> from the neuronal system that was truncating that >> information and keeping it in check, i.e. keeping it pent-up >> in the microtubule memory. �That s one of certainly many >> possibilities. >> � �And I must add here, �that this death dream signal may >> not only flood just the cytoskeleton of the brain, it could >> just as easily flood the cytoskeleton of the entire body >> since the entire cytoskeleton of the brain is interconnected >> by microwave gap junctions . �This means that your entire >> body and your entire brain, your entire sensory apparatus, >> motor apparatus, and cognitive system would be experiencing >> this dream firsthand. �It would in other words, be >> completely real! �This is why the microtubule computer in >> the brain is sufficient to do the job of �Tipler s >> "astronomical sized"computer". �His computer was designed to >> synthesize a human being from scratch, while nature has the >> advantage of having the actual physical body in the form of >> the cytoskeleton actually present in the microtubule >> computer! �This reduces the size of the necessary computer >> by a "double exponential" sized factor! �And this literally >> brings the problem down to earth. >> >> Serious intellectual commentary is invited, hecklers will be >> killfiled. > > > >[Zinnic] >Your small step in the physicalist world from neuronal networks to >cytoskeletons does not begin to address the leap of faith required to >cross over from the mundane to the imagined miracle of 'life' after >death. > > [Hammond] The first thing I wish to determine is where you're posting from. I posted my message to: Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.philosophy,rec.org.mensa,alt.religion.christian Your use of the word "physicalist" would indicate that you are not a physicist. So you are not posting from the physics newsgroups. On the other hand your use of the term "imagined miracle" tends to indicate that you are not posting from the religious newsgroup. That leaves either Philosophy or Mensa. Since you don't appear to be a wannabee genius, this indicates that most likely you are posting from alt.philosophy. So I assume that I am talking to a Philosophy major of some kind. But to address your specific comment above about passing from the "mundane to the miraculous" vis-�-vis passing from the neuronal to be microtubule system, what you fail to realize is that the latter amounts to passing from curved reality to uncurved reality. This, you are unaware, means passing from here into heaven. This does not involve woo woo science. It simply means that part of reality is INVISIBLE to us because of the Secular Trend growth deficit of the brain. That the neuronal system sufferers from this shortfall but the microtubule cytoskeleton system does not. Hence a "miraculous" transformation of reality. > > >After "curved" neuronal function transfers to spend a millisec as the >"un-curved reality" of cytoskeletal function, what then? > > [Hammond] I have edited your statement above so that it now reads: coherently and correctly. What you fail to understand is that the cytoskeleton system runs at 1 billion times faster than the neuronal system. This means that millisecond in the cytoskeleton brain is EQUIVALENT time wise to a year in the neuronal system. Meanwhile, this year is spent in "un-curved" or (eternal/paradisicle) reality, otherwise known as "eternal life" or Heaven! > > >When the physical cytoskeleton disintegrates and rots, is the 'soul' >distilled from the ferment and condensed by some miraculous procecess >into pure disembodied spirit ? > > > [Hammond] Na, na, na, na.... I can see that you are not familiar with the physicists terminology of a "time dilation". As far as the coroner is concerned, the person died in a matter of seconds. However, as far as a physicist is concerned, DURING THAT SPLIT SECOND the dearly departed actually existed for a solid YEAR in another world. Hence, it absolutely does not matter when, where, or what happens to the body beyond one split second after death. > > >Seems to me you still have some explaining to do! >Zinnic > > [Hammond] Well, I am not a teacher and I certainly don't give private tutorials. I am right in the middle of writing a 300 page book using this voice recognition dictation equipment, and perhaps you'll simply have to wait for the book. Meanwhile, I like your style Zinnic (more evidence that you are probably a Philosophy major). You appear to be polite, interested and serious. I WILL REPLY to polite, intelligent and serious questions. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 =======================================
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From: ZerkonXXXX on 13 Dec 2009 09:05 On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote: > even though the bedside observer would see the person expire in a > fraction of a second, All your details rest upon this. The idea of linear time as it relates to a linear (film strip) existence. Why not? However, for your human as apparatus position to be solid you must equally account for birth. The film just can not be rewound until it falls off the real reel, or [pun alert!] can it? A Test: Since you rely so heavily on what seem to be computer metaphors, how would you or could you explain this to some one living in, say, the mid 1800's?
From: George Hammond on 13 Dec 2009 14:32
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:05:04 +0000, ZerkonXXXX <Z(a)erkonx.net> wrote: >On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:30:08 -0800, George Hammond wrote: > >> even though the bedside observer would see the person expire in a >> fraction of a second, > >All your details rest upon this. The idea of linear time as it relates to >a linear (film strip) existence. Why not? > >However, for your human as apparatus position to be solid you must >equally account for birth. The film just can not be rewound until it >falls off the real reel, or [pun alert!] can it? > > [Hammond] Okay, yours is a meaningful post which contains intelligent on-topic material. I appreciate that. In order to see this full thread you have to read it on sci.physics. relativity. There you will discover that this thread is under a NIMBY attack from alt.atheism. So your on-topic post is especially appreciated. Birth is irrelevant to life after death. This is because memory and experience before the age of a few months old cannot be recalled by the average person. Secondly, we are not talking about a "linear filmstrip" when we talk about life after death. what exactly life after death looks like, we don't know. we can reasonably presume the following characteristics: 1. The dream contains elements of a "life review" but it is not a linear format. Similar to a dream, it may jump around, flashback to the past, and shift abruptly from scene to scene. 2. We assume that life after death, while intuitively a form of "virtual reality" is neither identical to ordinary reality, nor identical to an ordinary nocturnal dream. It is we may suppose, a THIRD REALITY somewhere between the two. 3. Above all else, we must remember that the core purpose of life after death is to see and experience a " Beatific Vision" of reality; What the physicistsrefer to as an un-curved version of reality. 4. The magnificence, glory, and subframe splendor of such an experience is practically beyond human imagination, although it is well within the reach of a mathematical physics description. > > >A Test: > >Since you rely so heavily on what seem to be computer metaphors, how >would you or could you explain this to some one living in, say, the mid >1800's? > > [Hammond] The1800s are nothing! 2,000 years ago St. Paul in First-Corinthians chapter 15 verses 35-55 described Life after Death as being a " spiritual body appearing at the instant of death, in the twinkling of an eye; going directly to heaven." "Spiritual body" was the term used in the 1800s, but today We can replace that term with a scientific term " Virtual-body" or " cyberspace- body". The new term means exactly the same thing as the old term except That the new term incorporates a scientific comprehension of what actually scientifically happens. This is based on the fact that in recent decades it has been discovered that the cytoskeleton of the neurons in the brain consist of a gigantic digital computer running at microwave/optical speeds and containing 15 orders of magnitude of heretofore unknown switching speed and memory power. It is now believed that the cytoskeleton-microtubule system is the " Engram" of memory that neuropsychology has been searching for unsuccessfully for seven decades. Likewise, it is now intuitively obvious to even a casual observer that this system is identically the "unconscious mind" of Psychology and the "Soul" of Theology. Any further coherent and logical analysis that you may wish to provide, or even basic inquiry, will be highly appreciated by intelligent bystanders reading this discussion. ======================================== GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE Primary site http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond Mirror site http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3 ======================================= |