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From: George Hammond on
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:32:44 -0800 (PST), Mark
<blueriverday(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Dec 14, 1:37�pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote:
>
>(snippy)
>
>Your hypothesis is riddled with flaws.
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG.... there isn't a single flaw in it.
>
>
> I completely understand your theory
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG.... you're level of misunderstanding is LUDICROUS!
>
>
>your theory but it limits eternal life to the past experiences of
>one, and that isn't new life. A replay of one's past with a new and
>perfectly enlightened perspective isn't new life.
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG..... the raw stored sensory input of a lifetime is
easily capable of synthesizing an infinite range of totally
new life-experience.
The point is yours is an ODOMETER argument, and not a
SPEEDOMETER argument. "odometer" arguments are completely
irrelevant and a priori ruled out of court as being
incompetent.
>
>
> New life must contain external stimulus from actual different
>unpredictable meetings and experiences in new locations.
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG.... that's like saying the laws of mathematics or
physics LIMIT the range of mathematical physics discovery.
That statement is ignorant and absurd!
>
>
>You have mixed a LOT of truth in your hypothesis, and most of
>it is beyond the grasp of the average person. But still, in order for
>you to be right, God would have to be a liar.
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG...... you are still laboring under the misconception
of the "odometer" theory of life after death, because
apparently you are incapable of understanding the
"speedometer" theory of life after death.
Look, the average growth deficit in the human population
is somewhere around 20%. Let us use simple arithmetic to
demonstrate a few facts concerning that. It means that we
can compute the theoretical human lifespan by dividing the
actual human lifespan by 0.8:

Theoretical lifespan lifespan= 75/.8 = 93.75 years

A lifetime of sensory input stored in memory is EASILY able
to extrapolate today's reality another 18.75 years. Besides
which, "factual of events" are of ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE
to life after death. The simple proof of that is a fact
that a newborn baby who accidentally dies and has virtually
no conscious memory at all, is STILL resurrected to a
condition of eternal life.
I'm sure you've heard the expression:

"It doesn't matter what you say
it only matters how you say it"

Well that is a LITERALLY EXACT DESCRIPTION of life after
death! Facts, circumstances, objects, people, situations
and so forth are absolutely SECONDARY to the fact of moving
into a world with a ZERO-DILATED TIME RATE.
The problem is that you are intellectually INCAPABLE of
understanding that. This is not a new phenomenon, you can
tune into sci.physics.relativity and listen to amateurs
argue until they are blue in the face all day long simply
BECAUSE they are INCAPABLE of understanding Relativity.

Your problem is that you are still under the misconception
of the odometer theory of life after death and think that
eternal life means living for hundreds, thousands, millions,
billions, or trillions of years.
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS..... there isn't a normal person in
the world who would believe that a person was designed to
live for a billion years........ don't be STUPID!
>
> In your model, people in the blast radius of a nuclear bomb
>would have no Heaven or Hell.
>
>
[Hammond]
WRONG, a simple numerical calculation shows that the theory
is FAILSAFE. This because a person cannot be killed in less
than one nanosecond which is how long it takes light to
cross the human skull. An atomic bomb CANNOT kill you
faster than one nanosecond because of the Einstein limit on
the speed of light.
In this theory ONE NANOSECOND translates into an HOUR in
Heaven . And it is immediately obvious to any competent
scientific mind that "an hour of eternal life is just
that--- eternal life"; for the same reason that any fraction
of infinity, is still infinity! Now just because you are
too uneducated and too much of a Relativity Newbie to
understand that, does not by any means negate the truth of
that statement.
>
>what you've done is try to make
>man the source of his own heaven and hell.
>
>
[Hammond]
Get off it, that's like saying the laws of physics limit
the phenomena that can exist. The statement is stupid.
obviously the laws of physics allow an ABSOLUTELY INFINITE
number of phenomena, structures and circumstances to exist.
Your statement is intellectually incompetent.
>
>
>This all sounds
>like a Roman Catholic construct with a physics/Hindu twist.
>
>
[Hammond]
I happen to be a New England Congregationalist by birth.
However scientifically speaking, I find the canonical
explanation of religion as put forth in the Catholic
Catechism (e.g. Aquinas et al.) to be the most
scientifically advanced version of religion that
civilization possesses.
>
>
>Ironically, muslim suicide bombers who blow themselves
>up would reach neither my understanding of heaven nor
>yours.
>
[Hammond]
Horseshit... suicide bombers go straight to hell just like
all other criminal mass murderers.
>
>
>---
>Mark
>
[Hammond]
Well I'm sorry that you can't afford to play this game
because of your other obligations and concerns.
However, just because you can't afford to ante up in this
game DOES NOT MEAN that I'll tolerate hit-and-run
harassment. I CAN afford to play this game, I'm using 150
words per minute voice-recognition dictation, and can blow
your pathetic Stone Age keyboard efforts right off the
Internet using it.
However, you are invited to continue your ill motivated
and futile efforts, by all means.
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From: Autymn D. C. on
On Dec 14, 4:59 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:32:44 -0800 (PST), Mark
> <blueriver...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 1:37 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...(a)notspam.com> wrote:
>
> >(snippy)
>
> >Your hypothesis is riddled with flaws.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG.... there isn't a single flaw in it.

Yes, no flaw is alone; there are too many.

> > I completely understand your theory
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG.... you're level of  misunderstanding is LUDICROUS!

He is?

> >your theory but it limits eternal life to the past experiences of
> >one, and that isn't new life. A replay of one's past with a new and
> >perfectly enlightened perspective isn't new life.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG..... the raw stored sensory input of a lifetime is
> easily capable of synthesizing an infinite range of totally
> new life-experience.
>   The point is yours is an ODOMETER argument, and not a
> SPEEDOMETER argument.  "odometer" arguments are completely
> irrelevant and a priori ruled out of court as being
> incompetent.

Both of your arguments are incompetent. And nothing's infinite.

> >     New life must contain external stimulus from actual different
> >unpredictable meetings and experiences in new locations.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG.... that's like saying the laws of mathematics or
> physics  LIMIT the range of mathematical physics discovery.
> That statement is ignorant and absurd!

Laws do.. but so do wrays.

> >You have mixed a LOT of truth in your hypothesis, and most of
> >it is beyond the grasp of the average person. But still, in order for
> >you to be right, God would have to be a liar.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG...... you are still laboring under the misconception
> of the "odometer" theory of life after death, because
> apparently you are incapable of understanding the
> "speedometer" theory of life after death.
>    Look, the average growth deficit in the human population
> is somewhere around 20%.  Let us use simple arithmetic to
> demonstrate a few facts concerning that.  It means that we
> can compute the theoretical human lifespan by dividing the
> actual human lifespan by 0.8:
>
> Theoretical lifespan lifespan= 75/.8 = 93.75 years

There's no correlation between tallness and longness of life, but
there is one for caloric restriction (therefore squatness or smallness
helps), which is of course correlated with slowness of metabolism, and
goes against your conjecture. And man can liv longer than 120 years.

> A lifetime of sensory input stored in memory is EASILY able
> to extrapolate today's reality another 18.75 years.  Besides
> which, "factual of events" are of ABSOLUTELY NO SIGNIFICANCE
> to life after death.  The simple proof of that is a fact
> that a newborn baby who accidentally dies and has virtually
> no conscious memory at all, is STILL resurrected to a
> condition of eternal life.
>   I'm sure you've heard the expression:
>
> "It doesn't matter what you say
>  it only matters how you say it"

This is meaningleas babble.

> Well that is a LITERALLY EXACT DESCRIPTION of life after
> death!  Facts, circumstances, objects, people, situations
> and so forth are absolutely  SECONDARY to the fact of moving
> into a world with a ZERO-DILATED TIME RATE.

If you mean we leave the univers, it would still take forever, no
matter the dimension. There is no Nirvàná wherefore nouht can't be
reifact.

>   The problem is that you are intellectually INCAPABLE of
> understanding that.  This is not a new phenomenon, you can
> tune into sci.physics.relativity and listen to amateurs
> argue until they are blue in the face all day long simply
> BECAUSE they are INCAPABLE of understanding Relativity.
>
> Your problem is that you are still under the misconception
> of the odometer theory of life after death and think that
> eternal life means living for hundreds, thousands, millions,
> billions, or trillions of years.
>   DON'T BE RIDICULOUS..... there isn't a normal person in
> the world who would believe that a person was designed to
> live for a billion years........ don't be STUPID!

It has nothing to do with speed either.

> >       In your model, people in the blast radius of a nuclear bomb
> >would have no Heaven or Hell.
>
> [Hammond]
> WRONG, a simple numerical calculation shows that the theory
> is FAILSAFE.  This because a person cannot be killed in less
> than one nanosecond which is how long it takes light to
> cross the human skull.  An atomic bomb CANNOT kill you
> faster than one nanosecond because of the Einstein limit on
> the speed of light.
>   In this theory ONE NANOSECOND translates into an HOUR in
> Heaven .  And it is immediately obvious to any competent

Show your work.

> scientific mind that "an hour of eternal life is just
> that--- eternal life"; for the same reason that any fraction
> of infinity, is still infinity!  Now just because you are
> too uneducated and too much of a Relativity Newbie to
> understand that, does not by any means negate the truth of
> that statement.

What happens then?

> >This all sounds
> >like a Roman Catholic construct with a physics/Hindu twist.
>
> [Hammond]
>   I happen to be a New England Congregationalist by birth.
> However scientifically speaking, I find the canonical
> explanation of religion as put forth in the Catholic
> Catechism (e.g. Aquinas et al.) to be the most
> scientifically advanced version of religion that
> civilization possesses.

You mean of professional lyging. Bother to look up refutations of
cathekism, apologhètics, and all other theologhic Buybullshit.

Abrahamij religions are nothing more than plagiarism of elder pagan
Godheads. Look at the days of the week, Tower of Babel, and Trinity/
heavenly host of anghels.

> >Ironically, muslim suicide bombers who blow themselves
> >up would reach neither my understanding of heaven nor
> >yours.
>
> [Hammond]
> Horseshit... suicide bombers go straight to hell just like
> all other criminal mass murderers.

Everyone goes to hell.

-Aut
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