Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 18 Jun 2008 22:58 On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God would not want > >> >> > His children to die and just cease to be or to be punished forever, > >> >> > so He sent his Son to overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see > >> >> > today that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS theology, > >> >> one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari Krishna monk> > > >> >> -- > >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why do you ask? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy questions? > >> Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the answer might be obvious? > > > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to ask the > > question.  Go ahead and say whatever you were going to say. > > Robert B. Winn > > Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 apostles of the > Mormon church would know more about LDS theology than an Hari Krishna monk? > What are you afraid of?  I know the answer, but I don't know if you do and > that is why I am asking. > > -- > Later, > Darrell Stec    dars...(a)neo.rr.com > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? Robert B. Winn
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jun 2008 23:05 On Jun 19, 12:54 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 3:26�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jun 19, 8:10 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > So we're still in this position: > > > > > The Bible mentions a tunnel and a ramp that can be seen today. This is > > > > evidence that the sites existed at the time the texts were written. What > > > > additional conclusion could we draw from it?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > We could draw the conclusion that an atheist was wrong when he said > > > that there is nothing in the Bible that can be proven. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > We could draw the conclusion you lied about what atheists said so you > > could win an argument with yourself. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > You can draw any conclusion you want to draw. What is it supposed to > have to do with me? > Robert B. Winn Well, you would be the one consistently lying about what everyone says. Al
From: rbwinn on 18 Jun 2008 23:08 On Jun 18, 3:59�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 17, 5:34�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > Well, Al, we have the ideas of atheists living today , and we have the > > writings of the apostles. > > I hate to break this to you, but there is not one apostle for which we have > any writings. �None of the New Testament books (except for the Pauline > epistles) have any names associated with them. �And in fact the earliest > manuscripts did not have the names of the biblical books in them. �It is > apparent that the titles were added by a second or third copier because the > lettering is not in the hand of the first and oldest scribe. > > > Who should I believe? �This is really a > > tough one. > > It isn't a tough one at all. �Your first statement is false. �So YOU are not > to believed because you wallow in ignorance. > > > Well, I think I will believe the apostles. > > How will you do that? �They wrote nothing. > > > Robert B. Winn > Let's see, Matthew was an apostle, John was an apostle, Peter was an apostle, James was an apostle, Paul was an apostle, then there are writings of some people who were just disciples. All of these people seem more believable to me than you do Darrell. Maybe it is just your attitude. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jun 2008 23:09 On Jun 18, 4:25�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:5bc2ccdf-11b7-4328-9223-880b59a2140f(a)z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 17, 5:10?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > > >news:6bqtk8F3chncuU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > > >news:48581880$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > > >> Just as well supported as the Bible, by your own standards. You should > > >> go > > >> to England and see London. You could do a ghost walk. But no, you keep > > >> just repeating that London doesn't exist. :-( > > > > Does this mean I am not sitting in my study? > > > If my home town does not exist, do I even exist? > > > Oh dear .... > > > Last time I looked, London was still outside my door. > > We must be figments of Winn's his imagination, like his gods. > > You are even starting to sound like Harry Potter characters. > ------------------------------- > > How do you know? You've never read the book, or so you claimed. > There was a Harry Potter movie going on TV when I was at someone's house one time. Robert b. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jun 2008 23:11
On Jun 18, 4:45 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:21d2e037-7498-4d49-bb95-5a308e107d58(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:c44cff96-90ef-45f4-badc-413fcf95321e(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > On Jun 17, 10:41�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:f8121cc3-37c1-4561-b7cc-b6292578b7f1(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > All atheists I talk to indicate to me that if they do not have a > >> >> > written record of something, then it did not exist, and if the > >> >> > written > >> >> > record is the Bible, then it still did not exist. > > >> >> Liar. > >> >> We have simply told you on many occasions that the magical events > >> >> which > >> >> were > >> >> supposed to have taken place in your Bible are uncorroborated by any > >> >> other > >> >> source. > >> >> Meanwhile, all you can do is bleat about ramps and conduits, which > >> >> offer > >> >> no > >> >> proof at all that the supposed magical events actually happened, or > >> >> that > >> >> the > >> >> main characters depicted in the book actually existed. > >> >> You are either incapable of listening, or unwilling to listen. > > >> >> -- > >> > Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels > >> > and ramps disappear. > > >> We did no such thing. > >> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak > >> position. > > > I was not arguing about anything.  If you atheists want to believe in > > Harry Potter, go ahead and believe in him.  I just said that there was > > a tunnel between Gihon spring and the Pool of Siloam, exactly the way > > three books of the Old Testament say there is, and there is an earthen > > ramp over the city wall at the ruins of Lachish.  You want to be cute > > about it, so go ahead and be cute. > > Robert B. Winn > > Now explain why the existence of this tunnel and ramp and the fact that they > are mentioned in the bible is evidence that the rest of the magic story is > real. So what you would have me believe is that there are only two things mentioned in the Bible that are real, an earthen ramp and a conduit for water. I think that there are other things mentioned in the Bible that are real. Robert B. Winn |