Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 19 Jun 2008 04:51 "Darrell Stec" <darrell_stec(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message news:4859b51b$0$7073$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > Steve O wrote: > >> >> >> "asilentskeptic" <asilentskeptic(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:0cd8677a-e3af-4244-9680-0f635809616d(a)i18g2000prn.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> > Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels >>>> > and ramps disappear. >>>> >>>> We did no such thing. >>>> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak >>>> position. >>> >>> I was going to keep up a discussion with the guy, but he either >>> doesn't grasp what you are saying, misinterprets what you said, or >>> goes off on some completely strange tangent that has no basis (or some >>> strange mind-warping basis) in what he is replying to. Not worth the >>> time or the effort. >> >> I had him pegged as a Loki, but Loki atheists don't normally insult other >> atheists directly while they're trying to make theists look stupid. >> > > He is definitely a theist, a Mormon in fact who has had mental problems > (still does) and is now off his meds. > Thanks for that, Darrell. I wonder if it's the belief that drives them crazy or the craziness that drives them to the belief. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 19 Jun 2008 04:56 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:bbaa5d40-eb4e-4001-940a-9b4b38de0841(a)g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 18, 4:45 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:21d2e037-7498-4d49-bb95-5a308e107d58(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:c44cff96-90ef-45f4-badc-413fcf95321e(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 10:41�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>news:f8121cc3-37c1-4561-b7cc-b6292578b7f1(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > All atheists I talk to indicate to me that if they do not have a >> >> >> > written record of something, then it did not exist, and if the >> >> >> > written >> >> >> > record is the Bible, then it still did not exist. >> >> >> >> Liar. >> >> >> We have simply told you on many occasions that the magical events >> >> >> which >> >> >> were >> >> >> supposed to have taken place in your Bible are uncorroborated by >> >> >> any >> >> >> other >> >> >> source. >> >> >> Meanwhile, all you can do is bleat about ramps and conduits, which >> >> >> offer >> >> >> no >> >> >> proof at all that the supposed magical events actually happened, or >> >> >> that >> >> >> the >> >> >> main characters depicted in the book actually existed. >> >> >> You are either incapable of listening, or unwilling to listen. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels >> >> > and ramps disappear. >> >> >> We did no such thing. >> >> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak >> >> position. >> >> > I was not arguing about anything. If you atheists want to believe in >> > Harry Potter, go ahead and believe in him. I just said that there was >> > a tunnel between Gihon spring and the Pool of Siloam, exactly the way >> > three books of the Old Testament say there is, and there is an earthen >> > ramp over the city wall at the ruins of Lachish. You want to be cute >> > about it, so go ahead and be cute. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Now explain why the existence of this tunnel and ramp and the fact that >> they >> are mentioned in the bible is evidence that the rest of the magic story >> is >> real. > > So what you would have me believe is that there are only two things > mentioned in the Bible that are real, an earthen ramp and a conduit > for water. I think that there are other things mentioned in the Bible > that are real. > Robert B. Winn I hope you are being genuinely ignorant, because there is no excuse for deliberate ignorance. Of COURSE there are real locations and objects mentioned in the bible, just like any other story. This has been explained to you a dozen times at least. I find it difficult to believe that you cannot grasp that simple concept. You must be winding us up. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: rbwinn on 19 Jun 2008 07:56 On Jun 18, 6:01�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA > Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >On Jun 19, 8:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 12:10 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > ... > > >> > You say all this on the basis of absolutely no evidence. > > >> OK, so once again you are saying that the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's > >> tunnel do not exist because there is no evidence of the Assyrian > >> invasion of Judea. �Well, what about the pillar in Ninevah with > >> Sennacherib's account? �Are you saying that does not exist also? > >> Robert B. Winn > > >Do you ever stay on topic? �Have you finished accusing people of > >saying things they didn't? > > Isn't it amazing how completely dishonest he is in his reading of what > others say? The topic was the Assyrian invasion of Judea. An atheist said there was absolutely no evidence of this topic. I was saying there was. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 19 Jun 2008 08:12 On Jun 18, 6:23 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > Steve O wrote: > > > "asilentskeptic" <asilentskep...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >news:0cd8677a-e3af-4244-9680-0f635809616d(a)i18g2000prn.googlegroups.com.... > >> On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:c44cff96-90ef-45f4-badc-413fcf95321e(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > >>> > On Jun 17, 10:41�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:f8121cc3-37c1-4561-b7cc-b6292578b7f1(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> >> > All atheists I talk to indicate to me that if they do not have a > >>> >> > written record of something, then it did not exist, and if the > >>> >> > written > >>> >> > record is the Bible, then it still did not exist. > > >>> >> Liar. > >>> >> We have simply told you on many occasions that the magical events > >>> >> which > >>> >> were > >>> >> supposed to have taken place in your Bible are uncorroborated by any > >>> >> other > >>> >> source. > >>> >> Meanwhile, all you can do is bleat about ramps and conduits, which > >>> >> offer > >>> >> no > >>> >> proof at all that the supposed magical events actually happened, or > >>> >> that > >>> >> the > >>> >> main characters depicted in the book actually existed. > >>> >> You are either incapable of listening, or unwilling to listen. > > >>> >> -- > >>> > Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels > >>> > and ramps disappear. > > >>> We did no such thing. > >>> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak > >>> position. > > >> I was going to keep up a discussion with the guy, but he either > >> doesn't grasp what you are saying, misinterprets what you said, or > >> goes off on some completely strange tangent that has no basis (or some > >> strange mind-warping basis) in what he is replying to. Not worth the > >> time or the effort. > > > I had him pegged as a Loki, but Loki atheists don't normally insult other > > atheists directly while they're trying to make theists look stupid. > > He is definitely a theist, a Mormon in fact who has had mental problems > (still does) and is now off his meds. > > -- Well, I know a great deal more about it than you do. What you refer to as meds is a drug called torazine which causes people to feel as though they are smothering 24 hours a day. Atheists want laws passed requiring that any person who will not accept atheism to be given this drug or some similar tranquilizer. I was fortunate to have such severe side effects from the drug that people in medical science after observing that I could not walk for a few months would become concerned and stop giving me the drug, not because they had any concern for me, but because they were worried they might get sued for malpractice. By that time I had learned to never discuss anything with psychiatrists except malpractice lawyers. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 19 Jun 2008 08:20
"Darrell Stec" <darrell_stec(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message news:48599361$0$12900$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > I hate to break this to you, but there is not one apostle for which we > have > any writings. None of the New Testament books (except for the Pauline > epistles) have any names associated with them. And in fact the earliest > manuscripts did not have the names of the biblical books in them. It is > apparent that the titles were added by a second or third copier because > the > lettering is not in the hand of the first and oldest scribe. Nitpicking here: their status as apocrypha aside, but what about the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Peter? |