Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: TT on 19 Jun 2008 09:16 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 10:56 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 18, 12:56�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> reasonable to say "mainstream view" or something similar. Some theists >>>>>>>> really seem to feel that a cabal of atheists is fabricating the primary >>>>>>>> evidence across all disciplines to make God look irrelevant. Is it a >>>>>>>> persecution complex?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> No, it is a fact. � There is nothing that can be said today that does >>>>>>> not have at least a few pin-headed atheists presenting some kind of >>>>>>> opposing idea. >>>>>> So it's atheists involved in reality-denial, huh? *cough* >>>>> That is what atheists do. >>>> Why do you think that, can you justify it? Atheists tend to be more >>>> skeptical than credulous, quite the reverse is true of theists. Don't >>>> you think atheists would tend to test claims for reliability more than >>>> theists would? >>> Atheists have an agenda. They do not do anything whatsoever unless >>> they believe it will in some way disprove the existence of God. That >>> is why atheists are such useless people. >> What agenda do I, as an atheist, have? My every waking moment isn't >> dedicated to destroying the notion of God, I simply have much better >> things to get on with. I'm fascinated by religion and like to know more >> about how theists see the world, that's all. Sorry to threaten you, it >> wasn't intentional. >> >> I'm sad that you see me as useless too. Slightly offended, but mostly >> sad that you would blanket-judge a whole group, simply because they >> don't share your religious belief. >> >> For what it's worth, I see you as religiously deluded, but totally human >> - with all the nobility and weakness that it comes with. I also see you >> as an individual - it seems you cannot return that honour. I had hoped >> you would be a little more open-minded.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > No, I don't give atheists any slack. I know already what they will > do. Why are you fascinated by religion? If there was any truth in > atheism you would be fascinated by atheism. The fact is that atheism > means nothing, so you have nothing, and you spend all of your time > trying to tear down other people. > I do not get flattered by atheists. If you do not believe in God, > prove it. Find something else to talk about. > Robert B. Winn You're the only flattering yourself...we never needed your slack...you and your faith are just the car wreck we're driving past, amazed at how stupidly you drove your life before you crashed...your jealousy of us is pathetic, and funny at the same time...thats the value of you and your faith...a circus clown car with many tiny little jesus midgets getting out and bopping each other with big fake hammers-that's the most accurate description of christianity possible--car wrecks and jesus midgets are fun to watch...keep it up! it's not like you have anything else to do...or anyone listening to you...be grateful we're here...we're a far more intelligent audience than you ever deserved... -- “Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one it is right.” Martin Luther king Jr.
From: Ye Old One on 19 Jun 2008 10:18 On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:47:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >Harry Potter is >not going to save any atheists. He is only a fictional character in a >book. See how simple it is? JC is not going to save any christians. He is only a fictional character in a book. See how simple it is? -- Bob.
From: Ye Old One on 19 Jun 2008 10:48 On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >On Jun 18, 6:01?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA >> Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >On Jun 19, 8:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> On Jun 18, 12:10 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> > You say all this on the basis of absolutely no evidence. >> >> >> OK, so once again you are saying that the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >> >> tunnel do not exist because there is no evidence of the Assyrian >> >> invasion of Judea. ?Well, what about the pillar in Ninevah with >> >> Sennacherib's account? ?Are you saying that does not exist also? >> >> Robert B. Winn >> >> >Do you ever stay on topic? ?Have you finished accusing people of >> >saying things they didn't? >> >> Isn't it amazing how completely dishonest he is in his reading of what >> others say? > >The topic was the Assyrian invasion of Judea. An atheist said there >was absolutely no evidence of this topic. Who? When? > I was saying there was. But little of it matches up with the characters of the fictionalized biblical version. >Robert B. Winn -- Bob.
From: Darrell Stec on 19 Jun 2008 11:18 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 3:59�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 17, 5:34�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >> >> > Well, Al, we have the ideas of atheists living today , and we have the >> > writings of the apostles. >> >> I hate to break this to you, but there is not one apostle for which we >> have any writings. �None of the New Testament books (except for the >> Pauline epistles) have any names associated with them. �And in fact the >> earliest manuscripts did not have the names of the biblical books in >> them. �It is apparent that the titles were added by a second or third >> copier because the lettering is not in the hand of the first and oldest >> scribe. >> >> > Who should I believe? �This is really a >> > tough one. >> >> It isn't a tough one at all. �Your first statement is false. �So YOU are >> not to believed because you wallow in ignorance. >> >> > Well, I think I will believe the apostles. >> >> How will you do that? �They wrote nothing. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> > Let's see, Matthew was an apostle, John was an apostle, Peter was an > apostle, James was an apostle, Paul was an apostle, Paul was not an apostle. He never met Joshua but rather made up his theology using Hellenistic philosophy from the Greek classics, Hebrew theology from the Old Testament, and epileptically induced hallucinations of imagined conversations with god the father. He even admits to that. In fact he goes further and says he learned nothing from any man. That means he never had any conversation with any apostle, nor any other human that either met the apostles or Joshua. It was not until he wrote a couple of epistles and was well into his ministry by several years that he met James and Peter. So far you have named four out of twelve apostles. That is a grade of 33 and 1/3 percent a solid 'F' if you were to give such sloppy results while attending seminary. Can't you open up a bible and type what you see about the named apostles? > then there are > writings of some people who were just disciples. What writings were those? We have no writings from any apostle nor any disciple concerning Joshua. As you have been told, and as you can find out by looking at perfect facsimiles of the earliest manuscripts and bibles, there were no names attached to the books of the New Testament until the second or third copyists. And none of the authors name themselves in the books themselves. > All of these people > seem more believable to me than you do Darrell. Maybe it is just your > attitude. Mine and the attitude of honest Christian scholars of higher biblical criticism. In fact prefaces in many versions of the bible say the same thing. But all you have is a knowledgeless opinion based solely on faith. > Robert B. Winn -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Darrell Stec on 19 Jun 2008 11:22
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God would not >> >> >> > want His children to die and just cease to be or to be punished >> >> >> > forever, so He sent his Son to overcome death. �Because of >> >> >> > wickedness, we see today that most people will reject God's gift >> >> >> > of eternal life. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS theology, >> >> >> one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari Krishna monk> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why do you >> >> > ask? Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy >> >> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the answer might >> >> be obvious? >> >> > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to ask the >> > question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to say. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 apostles of >> the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology than an Hari Krishna >> monk? What are you afraid of? I know the answer, but I don't know if you >> do and that is why I am asking. >> >> -- >> Later, >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >> > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > Robert B. Winn I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages |