Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 01:16 On Jul 13, 3:38 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 13, 2:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:43�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality.... > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > ================================ > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and London. > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > Get over it. > > > > > Smiler, > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. �I will tell you > > > what. �Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > decide for myself what I believe? �Does this seem unfair to you? > > > ============================================== > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > Smiler, > > > The godless one > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > header. > > Robert B. Winn > > And, has been repeatedly stated, each time you cross-post gibberish > into alt.atheism, we will cross-post responses to your lies. > For atheists are not fond of lies.  It's one of those features that > leads people away from gods. > Well, Al, as I said if you get tired of talking to sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity, just take them out of the header. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 01:27 On Jul 13, 3:39�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > >Well, eventually your son is going to do something that displeases > >you. �I would not want to be your son when that happens, because, > >unlike me, your son cannot just ignore you. > > Right, and that was you ignoring Steve, was it? > > Linda ff Right. Steve's threats and cursings do not mean a thing to me. I would not want to be his son. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 01:30 On Jul 13, 3:44�pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:03:40 -0700, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) > > wrote: > > > >Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > > > >> I'm not looking for converts. I'm simply posting my insights for the > > >> benefit of those who may be in the decision making process and want > > >> information other than that from a closed minded atheist. > > > >Oops, your prejudices are showing... > > > >And why should anyone give credence to your insights over those of us > > >"closed minded atheists"? You strike me as nothing but a run of the mill > > >religionist, complete with the requisite disdain of atheism. Hardly a > > >glowing endorsement worthy of respect. > > > Are you suggesting that I should show about the same level of respect > > for atheists as you show for Christians? > > Here's the difference, Skippy. I reserve my scorn and mockery for > individuals like yourself, in response to specific claims you have made. > I don't disparage "closed minded religionists" as a group. That's being > prejudiced, which is why I accused you--not all closed minded > religionists. > > I also find it interesting when someone accuses atheists of being closed > minded, when in my experience (and I'm not a minority in this), atheists > generally are more opened minded, more educated, and more rational than > religionists. > > > I don't think I could do this without resorting to a lot of profanity and > > obscenity, and I really don't like using this in my communications...makes > > one look inadequate, insecure and unable to express one's self fluently.. > > There's a difference between fluency and content. While you are fairly > fluent, the content of your claims are utterly preposterous. > > And quite frankly, profanity and obscenity (whatever they are) provide a > great deal of expressive power when used appropriately. Just listen to > any of the late great George Carlin's monologs. > > > I'm not by any means suggesting that anyone give my insights more > > credence than those of an atheist. I just want to make my insights > > available to those who are still assembling information to help them > > make a decision on this. � > > Well, I have made a decision on this. The insights you offer are > nonsensical, puerile, and clearly derived from years of religious > indoctrination combined with some sort of bizarre pseudoscientific mumbo > jumbo. As I said, hardly a glowing endorsement worthy of any fuckin' > respect...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't think Gordon likes being called Skippy. Maybe you could use his correct name next time. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 01:36 On Jul 13, 3:46�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:41:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 13, 8:43?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 12, 8:25?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. ?If a two year > >> >> >old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is going > >> >> >to do the same thing. > > >> >> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a > >> >> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the > >> >> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and longer. > >> >A two year old is concerned about what works. ?If the two year old > >> >sees that lying is more effective in getting results than telling the > >> >truth, then that is what the two year old is going to start doing. > >> >Atheists generally reward untruth. > > >> Right, now just go back and read again, a bit slower this time. How > >> does the two-year-old know - from the example of his elders - that > >> lying is more effective, when - are you still there? - he does not > >> yeat recognise it as lying? > > >> Linda ff > >> In the beginning man created god in his own image- Hide quoted text - > > >What you are claiming is that a two year old cannot tell if something > >is true or untrue. �I take the position that a two year old is just as > >capable of discerning as anyone, but might have more of a tendency to > >try to say the answer he believes his parent wants to hear. > > Have you EVER met a two-year-old? How does a two-year-old begin to > know when told, as my husband told my daughter one evening, that I had > gone shopping, when in fact I was singing in a concert. She sort of > knew what shopping was, he thought she would not have any idea why > singing (which she also recognised) might mean I would not be at home > when she asked for me. She happily accepted the explanation. How would > she know what he was telling her was not true? If you tell a > two-year-old that you're 21, when in fact you're 40, they have no > reason to disbelieve you. They almost certainly do not, at that age, > have a concept of lying in the first place. Trust me, I've had two of > them. Maybe by the age of three they begin to grasp it, but even at > four or five they will make no clear-cut distinction between telling > the truth and recounting their fantasies. > > Linda ff- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, then I would suspect that you are not going to be upset when your teenager does the same thing to you because you do not know anything and cannot tell when your teenager is lying. But what is going to happen if your teenager makes a mistake and gets caught lying? That is where the real test of it all will come. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 01:52
On Jul 13, 3:48�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:42:14 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >On Jul 13, 8:44?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> And that irony means "a bit like iron"? Oh, sorry, of course it > >> probably does, to you. > > >That is correct. �I know what iron is. �I work as a welder. > > Oh, hells bells, I just don't believe this! > > Listen, Robert, my stepson is also a qualified welder. The difference > is, he knows what irony is, and he knows it ain't got nuttin' to do > with iron! > > Linda ff You mean like adultery does not have anything to do with adults? Robert B. Winn |