Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 16 Jul 2008 02:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 14, 11:23 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has >>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>>>> Potter. >>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact >>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >>>> Sheep exist today >>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >>>> -- >>>> Steve O >>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that >>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >>> Bible. >> And yet you've been unable to produce these mythical posts. Well, you do >> seem to like myths... >> >>> So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had >>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they >>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be >>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go >>> to wizard's school. >> In a slightly mangled sense, yes that was me. I'd never heard of >> Hezekiah's tunnel. Now I have. I still can't see how it supports the >> existence of any gods. Assuming it's the same tunnel (which hasn't been >> established AFAIK), so what? People sometimes write things about stuff. >> Does that automatically render it true? >> >>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the >>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a >>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >> I might point out that the physical evidence doesn't accord well with >> the account of the tunnel's construction. Even if you're right, it's >> simply shows that a tunnel was built, not that gods exist. >> >> If you want to infer more than is logical from this, go for it! But to >> maintain a degree of intellectual honesty, I cannot follow.- Hide quoted text - > > Well, obviously, you have not studied the history of that time. > Robert B. Winn I haven't much, and yet I still know that. Additionally, the Bible contains some history, but doesn't qualify as a whole. It's far too unreliable.
From: BuddyThunder on 16 Jul 2008 02:58 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 15, 1:04 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225(a)d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>>>> Potter. >>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the >>>>>> fact >>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >>>> Sheep exist today >>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >>>> -- >>>> Steve O >>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that >>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had >>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they >>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be >>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go >>> to wizard's school. >> Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie) >> When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove anything in >> the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible, not the >> ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or shekels. >> Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute claims to >> atheists which don't exist. >> You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> >> >> >>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the >>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a >>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel was very remarkable. But > atheists do not like seeing remards about it. Why is that? I have nothing against the tunnel. No, what I dislike is your butchery of logic.
From: BuddyThunder on 16 Jul 2008 03:01 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 14, 8:01�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> Only an atheist would want all choices made for >>>>> them. >>>> Now there was me thinking that that was the mark of a worshipper. It >>>> seems to me that atheists make their own choices, because they don't >>>> have decisions ready-dictated to them. >>> So you think it is a mistake to decide ahead of time not to commit >>> murder, not to steal, to attend church, not to commit adultery, etc. >> Why would you be so morally deficient so as to need to perform morning >> affirmations in order not to kill people? >> >> My moral decisions are made as the occasion demands it. Seems to work okay. > > So are you saying that for each person you encounter, you make a > decision to kill or not to kill? > Robert B. Winn No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. I need not make that decision at all, because I'm not filled with murderous rage. As moral decisions need to be made, I make them according to my own values.
From: BuddyThunder on 16 Jul 2008 03:02 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 15, 12:25 am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 15, 11:17 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 14, 3:36�pm, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> Hi this is Conrad >>>> To the three that did respond to my post, all I did is put the >>>> evidence out there that the structure of the Universe is parallel to >>>> and resembles the structure of the mind. I am confident enough to let >>>> the evidence speak for itself and don't have to resort to childish >>>> insults. Why some want to turn the Google dialogs into the goo goo >>>> gaga childish dialogs I don't know but it is probably because of >>>> frustration. >>>> The evidence speaks for itself and anyone comparing objectively what >>>> it says to what you say will see which is more correct. >>>> I don't have to argue this point >>>> Conrad >>> Conrad, >>> Are you any good at math? I am trying to figure out if the >>> Lorentz equations predict a Doppler effect. The result I keep getting >>> is that the frequency and wavelength in the moving frame of reference >>> are the same as the frequency and wavelegth in the frame of reference >>> at rest. >>> The reason I ask is because you said you had frequency figured into >>> your equations. >>> Robert B. Winn >> No, he has the same level as you...high school standard and never >> think straight, have lots of day dreaming, and always wishful >> thinking. >> But at least i cannot conclude if he is of the same mental problem as >> you...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > High school graduates are the most open minded people with regard to > relativity of time. Possibly because they have among the most limited grasps of the subject matter.
From: Steve O on 16 Jul 2008 03:11
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:eba7d96c-68e8-4c0f-82ce-b240df3ae9dc(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 15, 12:32�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:206d8c80-66dd-4429-979f-ba45dc128bd7(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> > Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time. � I think >> > the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to >> > atheists. �Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about >> > medical malpractice. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> You mean you were LET out? >> We all assumed you had escaped. >> >> -- > I escaped the first time. > Robert B. Winn Of course. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence |