Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 6 Aug 2008 10:33 On Aug 6, 2:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:da870064-4360-4aaf-b06b-76235291b130(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > I have never hired a lawyer or been represented in court by a lawyer. > > Citizens of the United States have the right to represent themselves > > in court. > > Robert B. Winn > > I have always been highly amused, sometimes even a little saddened by > watching people with little or no legal training trying to defend themselves > in court. > You'd have to be insane to do something as stupid as that. > Oh, wait a minute... > So you are a lawyer, Steve. That explains quite a bit. Robert B. Winn
From: Ben Dolan on 6 Aug 2008 12:32 > So you claim that anyone who questions Einstein's theory is insane? No, that's not what I claimed, child. There are many serious scientists who have spent years of their lives working hard to understand and expand the works of Einstein. Questioning is at the heart of the scientific method. Scientists question everything they and their colleagues do, that's how scientific knowledge is built. And then there are the idiots like you... With your incoherent gibberish, you scream for attention you have not earned and do not deserve. You have no real understanding of basic undergraduate physics, and yet insist you have made breakthroughs that the greatest minds in science (even Einstein!) have missed. Your "discovery" is always some error in the most elementary theory of physics, because of course, you can't possibly understand anything BUT the most elementary theory of physics. Instead of respect and admiration for your work, though, you get criticism and corrections. But you refuse to listen, you refuse to admit to any errors no matter how basic. You feel persecuted because you are upsetting "the establishment" who have a vested interest in "the status quo". And you never try to learn from your mistakes because you are unwilling or unable to admit that you have made any. And that is exactly what separates you from real scientists. So, is that insane? Let's see... Delusions of grandeur? Check. Refusal to confront reality? Check. Incoherent or irrational thought patterns? Check. Inability to perceive one's own self image? Check. Yup, that is insane.
From: Don Martin on 6 Aug 2008 12:45 On Aug 6, 8:39 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Aug 6, 12:13 am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "JM" <JM20000...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6db979c1-79a0-4d30-8eab-e33e41c81e40(a)u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > > On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 1:05 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups..com... > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > > > >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> wrote > > > > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > > > >> >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote > > > > > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > > > > > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> ... > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > > > > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > > > > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > > > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > > > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your > > > > > >> >>>> claim. > > > > > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of > > > > > >> >>> the > > > > > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were > > > > > >> >>> assembled for > > > > > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith > > > > > >> >>> unto > > > > > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > > > > > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a > > > > > >> >>> fire of > > > > > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > > > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > > > >> >>> caught. > > > > > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > > > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were > > > > > >> >>> so > > > > > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > > > > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the > > > > > >> >>> disciples > > > > > >> >>> durst > > > > > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > > > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and > > > > > >> >>> fish > > > > > >> >>> likewise. > > > > > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > > > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > > > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide > > > > > >> >> quoted > > > > > >> >> text - > > > > > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > > > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > > > > > > For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > > > > evidence in the monkey trial. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > All kinds if cases? > > > > > You mean, "one type of case"? > > > > > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence > > > > in a court case. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Relevant evidence > > > > Al > > > Does the parents have to condescend to their children? > > ========================================== > > Is that supposed to be English? > > Well, he's doing the best he can. So far as I can make out what he is > trying to say, it would seem he raises a moot issue: the parents, by > BEING there, demonstrate their existence daily. The supernatural > superspook demonstrates not, neither doth he spin, but if proof of his > existence is important to him, he had better suck it up and have at > it. No one else can do it as well as he, presumably, should he happen > to actually exist. An afterthought: being there for the children is practically the first item of any definition of GOOD parenting. Since the semi-anonymous "JM" proposes the analogy between a god and a parent, I suspect that it is up to him to show us how this god's absentee "parenting" is Good Parenting (and one would humbly expect that what a god does must needs be far superior to the poor efforts of humans).
From: Ben Dolan on 6 Aug 2008 12:51 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > ? If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. ?So does it exist or not? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Yes, several of them exist. ?Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > What was your point here anyway? > > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > you? No more and no less than that Jesus character in your favorite science fiction book.
From: rbwinn on 6 Aug 2008 14:11
On Aug 6, 9:51�am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > ? If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. ?So does it exist or not? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Yes, several of them exist. ?Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > > What was your point here anyway? > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > Potter books, Al. �Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > you? > > No more and no less than that Jesus character in your favorite science > fiction book. So you believe that Harry Potter is sort of a Messiah for atheists. Robert B. Winn |