Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 6 Aug 2008 23:50 rbwinn wrote: > On 6 Aug, 17:38, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 6, 3:25 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 5, 7:29 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> On Aug 6, 12:05 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:38 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Aug 5, 8:52 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 10:54 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 6:16 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 11:57 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrites. But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes, I do. Like other atheists you campaign for abortion, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please show me evidence that I've campaigned for abortion. Because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a flat out lie. And is that your best effort at demonising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists have caused more abortions than any other group of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you can't show evidence where atheists (like Al) have campaigned for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion. You have lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef Stalin was an atheist like Al. While Josef Stalin was dictator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Soviet Union, the number of abortions in Russia increased to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about five per woman. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the People's Republic of China, women who have had one child are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required by the state to abort any children conceived after the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> child is born. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you have lied. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I did not lie. >>>>>>>>>>>> You said that Al campaigned for abortion. Are you going to provide >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence for this? >>>>>>>>>>> Sure. Ask Al if he is in favor of right to life. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with whether I've campaigned for legal >>>>>>>>>> abortions? >>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, I am certainly sorry if I have misjudged you, Al. I think you >>>>>>>>> are pro-abortion. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> That is because you are pidgeon-holing people based on misinformation >>>>>>>> from your church. >>>>>>>> I am neither pro- nor anti- abortion. I think it's something for women >>>>>>>> to decide on. It doesn't directly effect me, and I think it >>>>>>>> presumptuous for men to have a say. Not an opinion, but a say. >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> So you are pro-abortion. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> No. I'm pro letting women make their own minds up. If asked, I would >>>>>> warn against it. But I'm not arrogant enough to tell women what to >>>>>> do. >>>>>> Just because you think the state should control women's bodies does >>>>>> not mean that my position that I (and the state) should have no say in >>>>>> it, is in any way pro-abortion. >>>>>> So you're pro-death then? >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Pro-life. >>>> I think you're pro-death. >>> You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. >> Yep. �But it's also a fact that you're pro-death. >> > Everyone dies. That does not make me pro-death. You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: Matthew Johnson on 6 Aug 2008 23:50 In article <412c3c0f-3104-4152-9e1a-fa28b9470acd(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, rbwinn says... [snip] >Einstein did not use calculus at all in his description of >transmission of light. So you claim that calculus is needed. Go >ahead and show what you are talking about. >Robert B. Winn You have never actually read Einstein's seminal 1905 papers, have you? I found him using calculus on p899 of http://users.physik.fu-berlin.de/~kleinert/files/1905_17_891-921.pdf which is his "Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Koerper".
From: DanielSan on 6 Aug 2008 23:53 rbwinn wrote: > On 6 Aug, 17:46, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 6, 3:33 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 6:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:01 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> durst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? >>>>>>>>>>>>> For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in the monkey trial. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> All kinds if cases? >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean, "one type of case"? >>>>>>>>>>> No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence >>>>>>>>>>> in a court case. >>>>>>>>>> But, will it be ACCEPTED as evidence? >>>>>>>>>> You keep trying these clever games with your debating tactics. Clever, >>>>>>>>>> to you. Lame and flimsy to everyone else. >>>>>>>>> Not today. A judge today in the United States will not even allow the >>>>>>>>> Constitution of the United States to be entered as evidence. >>>>>>>> Want me to demolish that claim, too? >>>>>>> Go ahead and try. Show where one of these police state judges has >>>>>>> allowed the Constitution in police state court. >>>>>> So glad for your permission. >>>>>> United States v. Donald Fell >>>>>> Case summary: Is the Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 unconstitutional >>>>>> as per the 8th Amendment?http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/crim/usfell92402opn.pdf >>>>> This defendant was obviously given a trial by jury. This case does >>>>> not apply. >>>> This case most certainly applies. You asked for a case wherein the >>>> Constitution was used as evidence. The Constitution was used as >>>> evidence in this case. >>> If there was a jury, then police state justice was not imposed on the >>> defendant. �You need to find another case. >> Sorry, bub. �You moved the goalposts. �I won't play your games. �You lose. >> > I said police state court. A police state court has only a judge who > denies the right to trial by jury. For instance, what kind of cases? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: DanielSan on 6 Aug 2008 23:54 rbwinn wrote: > On 6 Aug, 17:46, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 6, 3:33 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? >>>>>>>>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". >>>>>>>>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern >>>>>>>>>>>> time crime or cases? >>>>>>>>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I >>>>>>>>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that >>>>>>>>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence. >>>>>>>>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is >>>>>>>>>> nil at this point. >>>>>>>>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only >>>>>>>>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms. >>>>>>>> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence? >>>>>>>>> That does not mean that the Bible >>>>>>>>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to >>>>>>>>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence. >>>>>>>> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear. >>>>>>>> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it evidence. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, it does >>>>>>> not exist. >>>>>> Um. No. >>>>> If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or not? >>>> It exists, but is not evidence. >>> If it is not evidence, then in what way does it exist? >> As a fiction book. >> > OK, so what things exist besides fiction books that you claim are not > evidence? What do you mean? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: Smiler on 7 Aug 2008 01:15
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:256a94a9-8283-4a9e-873c-a47bf89b6198(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Aug 5, 1:46?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:558164f1-39f1-48fe-9b6f-90c711472882(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > >> I will say it. You have serious mental disturbances. But that is as > >> far as it goes. I am not a psychiatrist so I cannot prescribe you > >> medications or enforce any institutionalisations. I think you would > >> benefit from both, but as an uneducated opinion, it holds no weight. > >> You have tried to get people to say they would like to lock you up on > >> several occaissions. Why is that? > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > Because it is true. ?If you were able to do it, that is what you would > > do. ?However, I know more about the atheistic court system than you do > > and would be able to stop it from happening. ?Secondly, if it did > > happen, all I would have to do is talk to a psychiatrist, and I would > > be released. > > The reason I know so much about it is because I have already been > > declared insane and institutionalized. ?It is just a system of > > accusation in which no proof is required. ?All it takes are the > > signatures of a judge and two medical doctors. > > Robert B. Winn > > In any court, expert medical opinion is classed as valid evidence or > proof.. > Sorry. > > -- > Steve O Well, here in the United States, defendants were supposed to have the right to defend themselves. I do not think you are sorry at all. You atheists found a way to take away all rights of United States citizens by just getting signatures from three corrupt individuals. ========================================== Thanks for confirming your paranoia, skippy. "I'm not paraniod...everone *is* out to get me" Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |