Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 7 Aug 2008 03:36 On Aug 7, 1:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 6 Aug, 17:15, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 6, 11:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 1:50 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 4:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> caught. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> likewise. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? > > > > > > >>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as > > > > > > >>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > > > > >>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". > > > > > > >>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn > > > > > > >>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as > > > > > > >>>>>> evidence. > > > > > > >>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern > > > > > > >>>>>> time crime or cases? > > > > > > >>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I > > > > > > >>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that > > > > > > >>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence. > > > > > > >>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is > > > > > > >>>> nil at this point. > > > > > > >>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only > > > > > > >>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms. > > > > > > >> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence? > > > > > > > >>> That does not mean that the Bible > > > > > > >>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to > > > > > > >>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence. > > > > > > >> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear. > > > > > > > >> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it evidence. > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, it does > > > > > > > not exist. > > > > > > > Um. No. > > > > > > If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or not? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Yes, several of them exist. Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > > > What was your point here anyway? > > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > > you? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > No. What makes you think I need saving? > > I think the H Potter books draw heavily on pre-existing fairy tales to > > create a mythology that feels vaguely right. Much like the bible drew > > on pre-existing mythology to create it's own. A clear sign of fiction > > is that it is derivative of prior fictions. > > Well, so you feel comforted and secure when you read Harry Potter > books. > Robert B. Winn I'm sure lots of people do, but as I've pointed out before, I haven't done any Harry Potter readings. When I read that bible thing I mostly get annoyed. Is comfort your guide to what's true? If so, you might want to stay away from reading anything on modern physics. Al
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 03:44 On Aug 6, 7:18 pm, mizlee <miz...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 6:37 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > Steve O wrote: > > > > "DanielSan" <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote in message > > >news:E8adnZh0I57JjATVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Aug 5, 1:38 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>>>news:b869657a-8ad3-4d4d-9f10-5440569a3345(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 10:01 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>>>>>news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> day of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> assembled > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unto > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a fire > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> caught. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> were so > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> durst > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fish > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide > > >>>>>>>>>>>> quoted > > >>>>>>>>>>>> text - > > >>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > >>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? > > >>>>>>>>> For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > >>>>>>>>> evidence in the monkey trial. > > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>> All kinds if cases? > > >>>>>>>> You mean, "one type of case"? > > >>>>>>> No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as > > >>>>>>> evidence > > >>>>>>> in a court case. > > >>>>>> But, will it be ACCEPTED as evidence? > > >>>>>> You keep trying these clever games with your debating tactics. > > >>>>>> Clever, > > >>>>>> to you. Lame and flimsy to everyone else. > > >>>>> Not today. A judge today in the United States will not even allow the > > >>>>> Constitution of the United States to be entered as evidence. > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>> It depends on what you are trying to prove. > > >>>> Why were you trying to introduce the Constitution as evidence, and > > >>>> how could > > >>>> it prove or disprove anything in relation to your particular > > >>>> circumstabces? > > > >>>> -- > > >>> The sixth amendment to the Constitution says that the defendant has > > >>> the right to trial by jury in "all criminal prosecutions". The judge > > >>> in my case had just denied my right to trial by jury. > > > >> Then you can appeal. > > > > Not on those grounds he can't. > > > ;-) > > > > The only grounds for appeal he has would be to provide evidence that the > > > judgment of the three doctors who declared him insane was mistaken and > > > incorrect. > > > Not much chance of that, is there? > > > He is acting like he's the only sane one in a sea of insane people. :-) > > > -- > > **************************************************** > > * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > > *--------------------------------------------------* > > * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * > > * can't eat it? * > > ****************************************************- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > It's been a couple weeks since I even looked at this thread, so I > decided to check in. rbwinn is still drooling, and several of you are > still trying to engage him. It's like trying to deal with an > Alzheimer's patient; they have their own reality, and NOTHING you can > do can get through to them - ever. Your excuse that onlookers might > become more knowledgeable by seeing what nutters are really like long > ago reached the point of diminishing returns. Are you so locked into > this ridiculous dance you simply cannot stop? Do you really think the > looney will "win" if he has the last word? rbwinn is best left to > babble on his own - please trust me on this. You are quite right. I am getting tired for his confused logic coupled with mental illness. He should be institutionalized and not providing with a computer so that he could not engage in meaningless conversation or communication with sane people. He found some physic formula and just pick up one to try to argue when he did not even have the understanding of anything at all, with his high school standard and a skilled labor //welder. Can't imagine.
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 04:01 On Aug 6, 9:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 1:50 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Aug 6, 4:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > >>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your claim. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> caught. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the disciples durst > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> likewise. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > > >>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? > > > > >>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible be entered as > > > > >>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > > >>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". > > > > >>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn > > > > >>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for bible as > > > > >>>>>> evidence. > > > > >>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence for modern > > > > >>>>>> time crime or cases? > > > > >>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate faster than I > > > > >>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have that > > > > >>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence. > > > > >>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your credibility is > > > > >>>> nil at this point. > > > > >>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that only > > > > >>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms. > > > > >> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence? > > > > > >>> That does not mean that the Bible > > > > >>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are unable to > > > > >>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence. > > > > >> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear. > > > > > >> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it evidence. > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, it does > > > > > not exist. > > > > > Um. No. > > > > If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or not? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Yes, several of them exist. Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > What was your point here anyway? > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > you? > Robert B. Winn How idiotic. And you think that the bible is going to save you? Save you from your insanity?
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 04:33 On Aug 7, 12:32 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > So you claim that anyone who questions Einstein's theory is insane? > > No, that's not what I claimed, child. > > There are many serious scientists who have spent years of their lives > working hard to understand and expand the works of Einstein. Questioning > is at the heart of the scientific method. Scientists question everything > they and their colleagues do, that's how scientific knowledge is built. > > And then there are the idiots like you... > > With your incoherent gibberish, you scream for attention you have not > earned and do not deserve. You have no real understanding of basic > undergraduate physics, and yet insist you have made breakthroughs that > the greatest minds in science (even Einstein!) have missed. Your > "discovery" is always some error in the most elementary theory of > physics, because of course, you can't possibly understand anything BUT > the most elementary theory of physics. > > Instead of respect and admiration for your work, though, you get > criticism and corrections. But you refuse to listen, you refuse to admit > to any errors no matter how basic. You feel persecuted because you are > upsetting "the establishment" who have a vested interest in "the status > quo". And you never try to learn from your mistakes because you are > unwilling or unable to admit that you have made any. > > And that is exactly what separates you from real scientists. > > So, is that insane? Let's see... > > Delusions of grandeur? Check. Refusal to confront reality? Check. > Incoherent or irrational thought patterns? Check. Inability to perceive > one's own self image? Check. > > Yup, that is insane. Hey, Ben. You make a great mistake here by claiming what separates rbwinn from real scientist. He is just a welder and you put him into a status of scientist? With his high school standard, he can't even explain things clearly, let alone understand physic formula. He copied the formula from somewhere and posted it without explaining the basics and expecting others to follow. Even a simple comparison of similarities between bible and harry potter in reference to a place or tunnel is not getting across to his head by Steve. But I think we are partly to be blame....we catch hold of an insane person by the road side and started to explain normal things to him. He would turn around and claim we are insane.
From: hhyapster on 7 Aug 2008 04:39
On Aug 7, 2:11 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 9:51 am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > ? If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. ?So does it exist or not? > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > Yes, several of them exist. ?Several Harry Potter books exist too. > > > > What was your point here anyway? > > > > If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about Harry > > > Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to save > > > you? > > > No more and no less than that Jesus character in your favorite science > > fiction book. > > So you believe that Harry Potter is sort of a Messiah for atheists. > Robert B. Winn Looking at your this reply, we all know that your mental illness is getting worse. Can you check into Washington V.A. immediately? |