Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 8 Aug 2008 00:23 On Aug 8, 1:07 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. > > > > > You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. > > > > > You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an > > > > > existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and > > > > > etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry > > > > > Potter did. > > > > > So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character > > > > > in the tales real? > > > > > The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, > > > > > tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - > > > > The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The > > > Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews > > > at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they > > > did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged > > > Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water > > > to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, > > > as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the > > > tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in > > > ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian > > > captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took > > > place in 701 B.C. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? > > Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of > > London . > > No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being > dug. > Robert B. Winn Which would make it natural for them to have included it in their fiction. Al
From: rbwinn on 8 Aug 2008 09:59 On 7 Aug, 21:06, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On 7 Aug, 20:20, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>>> On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. > >>>>>>> You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. > >>>>>>> You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an > >>>>>>> existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and > >>>>>>> etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry > >>>>>>> Potter did. > >>>>>>> So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character > >>>>>>> in the tales real? > >>>>>>> The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, > >>>>>>> tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The > >>>>> Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews > >>>>> at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they > >>>>> did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged > >>>>> Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water > >>>>> to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, > >>>>> as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the > >>>>> tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in > >>>>> ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian > >>>>> captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took > >>>>> place in 701 B.C. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? > >>>> Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of > >>>> London . > >>> No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being > >>> dug. > >> I'm thinking about writing a story about leprechauns. Down my way is a > >> transit center that is going to be built. I'm going to write a story > >> about leprechauns helping the construction workers build the transit center. > > >> Once the transit center is built, do leprechauns exist? > > > I knew a guy who was an alcoholic. �He and his wife used to get drunk > > and see all kinds of little men. > > Did the little men exist? > According to this guy and his wife, they could both see the little men. Robert B. Winn
From: Ben Dolan on 8 Aug 2008 10:12 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > Well, what I would say to you atheists is, show that you are really > serious about what you say. Go to the court where you live and > petition for the institutionalization of a person believed to be > insane. Otherwise you are just like any other atheist. You talk > quite a bit but never do anything. Sounds to me like a cry for help... But then again, you have more experience in this area, so I defer to your, shall we say, "greater knowledge" about matters of involuntary committment.
From: rbwinn on 8 Aug 2008 10:19 On 7 Aug, 21:21, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Aug 8, 12:37 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 18:17, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Aug 7, 11:13 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > No wonder no scientist wish to engage you. > > > > > You don't explain well and you don't understand (no capability) > > > > > anything at all. > > > > > But I admire you guts to bring the formula out in the public to be > > > > > humiliated.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, here are the equations, hhyaps. > > > > > x'=x-vt > > > > y'=y > > > > z'=z > > > > t'=t > > > > > w=velocity of light > > > > x=wt > > > > x'=wn' > > > > > x'=x-vt > > > > wn'=wt-vt > > > > n'=t(1-v/w) > > > > > So just go ahead and show the mistake you have found. As soon > > > > as I arrived at these equations, scientists quit talking to me. At > > > > one time when I was using the wrong equations, about half of the posts > > > > in sci.physics.relativity were directed at me. So since you are a > > > > scientist who says these equations are wrong, just go ahead and show > > > > what is wrong with them. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > The error is in checking with reality, what it thinks. Physics isn't > > > algebra. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Physics isn't algebra? �Well, tell us what physics is, Al. > > Robert B. Winn > > Physics is science as it relates to matter, motion and energy. > Science isn't maths. �It often uses maths. �But the maths is in > service to the science, not the other way around. �You can derive any > of a a multitude of different equations that are mathematically > correct. �But until you test them vs reality, they're just maths. �Not > science. �See String Theory. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Well, as the math applied to describing transmission of light, until 1887 scientists used the Galilean transformation equations. x='x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t These are the equations that are still used to describe transmission of sound. According to scientists of that time, there was a medium called ether through which light was being transmitted, much as sound is transmitted through the molecules of air. This was proven wrong by the Michelson Morley experiment, shich scientists said showed there was no ether. The only mathematical explanation between that time and 1905 that was given any credence was the Lorentz ether theory, which proposed that the moving frame of reference was contracted in length in the direction of motion. Then Einstein used the Lorentz equations with a different interpretation, using relativity of time, and the speed of light was the same in both frames of reference. x'=(x-vt)gamma y'=y z'=z t'=(t-vx/c^2)gamma gamma=1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) This still required a distance contraction like Lorentz's idea, but these two little equations could be extracted from the Lorentz equations, x=ct, x'=ct', showing that the speed of light was c in both frames of reference. My original idea was that these two little equations could be used in this manner. x'=x-vt ct'=ct-vt t'=t(c-v)/c After proposing this idea to scientists for twenty years, I was finally able to see that in these equations t'=t, so the slower clock in S' has to be shown by a different variable. So these equations give the time on a clock in the moving frame of reference. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t n'=t(1-v/w) Whereas, scientists would talk to me when the equations were wrong, they stopped talking to me when I corrected the equations. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 8 Aug 2008 10:21
On 7 Aug, 21:23, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Aug 8, 1:07 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. > > > > > > You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. > > > > > > You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an > > > > > > existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and > > > > > > etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry > > > > > > Potter did. > > > > > > So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character > > > > > > in the tales real? > > > > > > The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, > > > > > > tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The > > > > Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews > > > > at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they > > > > did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged > > > > Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water > > > > to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, > > > > as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the > > > > tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in > > > > ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian > > > > captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took > > > > place in 701 B.C. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? > > > Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of > > > London . > > > No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being > > dug. > > Robert B. Winn > > Which would make it natural for them to have included it in their > fiction. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Isaiah was not writing fiction. Robert B. Winn |