Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 8 Aug 2008 21:31 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:4b71aa26-8cbf-4d33-bced-51f169196fc8(a)59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On 7 Aug, 19:50, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Aug 8, 5:58 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 7 Aug, 06:21, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> > > rbwinn wrote: >> > > > On 7 Aug, 01:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> > > >> On Aug 6, 9:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> > > >>> On Aug 6, 1:50 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >> > > >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> > > >>>> On Aug 6, 4:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> > > >>>>> On Aug 5, 7:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>> On Aug 5, 6:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 10:10 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> >> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:35 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 8:02 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there? >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses of the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want one. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back up your claim. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first day of the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were assembled for >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midst, and saith unto >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, Peace be unto you. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw a fire of >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ye have now >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of great >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there were so >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, yet was not the net broken. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the disciples durst >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, and fish >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself to his >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what kinds of cases? >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For any kind of case. A lawyer can request that a Bible >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be entered as >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in any court case. Clarence Darrow had the >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible entered as >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence in the famous "monkey trial". >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Riobert B. Winn >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> A judge must be mad or loony if he were to allow for >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> bible as >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence. >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You mean that ancient time recording can be the evidence >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for modern >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> time crime or cases? >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> This would also mean America is declining, at a rate >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> faster than I >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thought.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, it happened in 1934, or whenever it was. So we have >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> precedent in American jurisprudence. >> > > >>>>>>>>>> In only one type of trial, if it happened at all. Your >> > > >>>>>>>>>> credibility is >> > > >>>>>>>>>> nil at this point. >> > > >>>>>>>>> Well, judges of today are very careful to make certain that >> > > >>>>>>>>> only >> > > >>>>>>>>> atheism is allowed in courtrooms. >> > > >>>>>>>> You mean, they'll only allow secular evidence? >> > > >>>>>>>>> That does not mean that the Bible >> > > >>>>>>>>> is not evidence. No matter how hard atheists try, they are >> > > >>>>>>>>> unable to >> > > >>>>>>>>> make the Bible disappear. That is why it is evidence. >> > > >>>>>>>> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear. >> > > >>>>>>>> It also isn't evidence, no matter hard you try to make it >> > > >>>>>>>> evidence. >> > > >>>>>>>> -- >> > > >>>>>>> So you are saying that the Bible is like Hezekiah's tunnel, >> > > >>>>>>> it does >> > > >>>>>>> not exist. >> > > >>>>>> Um. No. >> > > >>>>> If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or >> > > >>>>> not? >> > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn >> > > >>>> Yes, several of them exist. Several Harry Potter books exist >> > > >>>> too. >> > > >>>> What was your point here anyway? >> > > >>> If you want to talk about Harry Potter books, we can talk about >> > > >>> Harry >> > > >>> Potter books, Al. Do you believe that Harry Potter is going to >> > > >>> save >> > > >>> you? >> > > >>> Robert B. Winn >> > > >> How idiotic. >> > > >> And you think that the bible is going to save you? >> > > >> Save you from your insanity?- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > The only way anyone is going to be saved is through the Atonement >> > > > of >> > > > Christ. That would include any atheists who change their minds >> > > > about >> > > > being saved. >> >> > > Sorry, but I don't need to be "saved". I'm going to live my life to >> > > the >> > > fullest and then die. How about you? >> >> > > -- >> >> > I am going to be saved. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> So, you committed a lot of sins. >> In modern terms, they are called crimes....care to list them for our >> understanding.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, no. When I was young I was very foolish. So what happened to > your imagination? ======================================= Nothing, but why imagine when *you* can "spill the beans", skippy? ========================================= Has Harry Potter failed you? ============================================= How could a fictional character, like Harry Potter or your jebus, fail anyone, skippy? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: DanielSan on 8 Aug 2008 21:46 rbwinn wrote: > On 7 Aug, 21:06, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On 7 Aug, 20:20, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. >>>>>>>>> You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. >>>>>>>>> You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an >>>>>>>>> existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and >>>>>>>>> etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry >>>>>>>>> Potter did. >>>>>>>>> So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character >>>>>>>>> in the tales real? >>>>>>>>> The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, >>>>>>>>> tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The >>>>>>> Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews >>>>>>> at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they >>>>>>> did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged >>>>>>> Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water >>>>>>> to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, >>>>>>> as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the >>>>>>> tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in >>>>>>> ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian >>>>>>> captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took >>>>>>> place in 701 B.C. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? >>>>>> Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of >>>>>> London . >>>>> No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being >>>>> dug. >>>> I'm thinking about writing a story about leprechauns. Down my way is a >>>> transit center that is going to be built. I'm going to write a story >>>> about leprechauns helping the construction workers build the transit center. >>>> Once the transit center is built, do leprechauns exist? >>> I knew a guy who was an alcoholic. �He and his wife used to get drunk >>> and see all kinds of little men. >> Did the little men exist? >> > According to this guy and his wife, they could both see the little > men. Answer the question. Do the little men exist? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: rbwinn on 8 Aug 2008 21:57 On 8 Aug, 18:46, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On 7 Aug, 21:06, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On 7 Aug, 20:20, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On 7 Aug, 19:01, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Aug 7, 9:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> never appoint Steve to be our spokesman. > >>>>>>>>> You have confused with the message that Steve was putting across. > >>>>>>>>> You have never see the point that any story can make reference to an > >>>>>>>>> existing object, place, event, people, government, race, animal and > >>>>>>>>> etc, but the tales are made up (imagined). This is exactly what Harry > >>>>>>>>> Potter did. > >>>>>>>>> So, if the Harry Potter referred to London, does it make the character > >>>>>>>>> in the tales real? > >>>>>>>>> The bible that you value so much is also the same as Harry Potter, > >>>>>>>>> tales imagined in someone's head.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> The construction of the tunnel is described in the Bible. The > >>>>>>> Assyrians were invading Judea and had taken several cities. The Jews > >>>>>>> at Jerusalem decided to hide the water from Gihon spring because they > >>>>>>> did not want the Assyrians using that water when they besieged > >>>>>>> Jerusalem, so they CONSTRUCTED a conduit for water to take the water > >>>>>>> to the pool of Siloam inside Jerusalem. They used picks and shovels, > >>>>>>> as is explained in the inscription they left on the wall of the > >>>>>>> tunnel, written in ancient Hebrew. The fact that they wrote in > >>>>>>> ancient Hebrew shows that the tunnel was made before the Babylonian > >>>>>>> captivity which took place in 600 B.C. The Assyrian invasion took > >>>>>>> place in 701 B.C. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> So, the bible tales were written after the existence of tunnel, right? > >>>>>> Your Harry Potter stories also was written after the existence of > >>>>>> London . > >>>>> No, the book of Isaiah was being written while the tunnel was being > >>>>> dug. > >>>> I'm thinking about writing a story about leprechauns. Down my way is a > >>>> transit center that is going to be built. I'm going to write a story > >>>> about leprechauns helping the construction workers build the transit center. > >>>> Once the transit center is built, do leprechauns exist? > >>> I knew a guy who was an alcoholic. He and his wife used to get drunk > >>> and see all kinds of little men. > >> Did the little men exist? > > > According to this guy and his wife, they could both see the little > > men. > > Answer the question. �Do the little men exist? > Well, they were not little men. They were evil spirits. Robert B. Winn
From: hhyapster on 8 Aug 2008 22:17 On Aug 9, 6:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On 8 Aug, 13:28, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:4b71aa26-8cbf-4d33-bced-51f169196fc8(a)59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > >When I was young I was very foolish. > > > And what has changed? > > I am older now. > Robert B. Winn Yes, but still as foolish as when you are young. And in foolishness, you are continuing to commit crime, right? List them out, we may not report you.
From: rbwinn on 8 Aug 2008 22:29
On 8 Aug, 19:17, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 9, 6:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > On 8 Aug, 13:28, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:4b71aa26-8cbf-4d33-bced-51f169196fc8(a)59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >When I was young I was very foolish. > > > > And what has changed? > > > I am older now. > > Robert B. Winn > > Yes, but still as foolish as when you are young. > And in foolishness, you are continuing to commit crime, right? > List them out, we may not report you. I was accused of a misdemeanor in 2004. Robert B. Winn |